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I disagree. It seems the Cardinals have been really good at navigating this system since it was implemented. I see it as a way they can “catch up” a little despite perennially picking lower. I want to say they missed out on a big slugger from Texas named Russell or something like that and I know some of us were wringing our hands, but he never hit with whomever he ended up with. The Carlson pick was a great job of hitting on saving money by picking a guy a little early and saving money for other bonuses
Sounds just like a way screwing people out of money they deserve.
They came up with this system, in part, to keep teams like the Yankees and Dodgers from telling kids they’ll draft them and give them $15 million. Then the kids tell small market teams they want $15 million.
But, yes, the draft pooling did decrease what teams were spending on the draft.
Bios, photos, videos up. Scouting reports coming…
Interesting that the Cards took only 1 high school player, and that was their last pick. I’m assuming he has a scholarship offer, and would be a hard sign. Now I am sure they are calling on undrafted players.
The 6’8″ RHP needs some work with that delivery. The arm action, oh my. And makes no use of his size. I’d like to see what he’d look like if they can get his arm extended and more downhill.
C27,
Van Kempen committed to West Virginia.Perfect Games’ #86 ranked pitcher nationallyand #279 overall
Some of these draft picks should be sent to Springfield right away to fit in.
Cade Winquest at Texas Arlington – 5.40 ERA
Chandler Arnold at Dallas Baptist – 5.29 ERA
D. J. Carpenter at Oregon State – 7.77 ERA
Matt Hickey at Tarleton – 6.75 ERA
Hunter Hayes at U. of Pacific – 6.82 ERAWhat’s Flores thinking?
My notes on the draft:
1. drafted 3 LH pitchers with their first three picks.
2. drafted 13 pitchers overall…. 4 LHP and 9 RHP.
3. drafter 1 catcher, 2 middle infielders, 4 outfielders….
3 left-handed batters and 4 right-handed battersEvidently, the Cardinals got the memo about their pitching in the minors.
I don’t know what Flores was thinking after reading cranny’s list of the 5 pitchers who look like, at best, diamonds in the rough. Flores and his staff aren’t dumb, so maybe it’s a change in strategy. Maybe they’re looking at body size and intangibles while thinking that they could fix whatever else needs fixing. Just guessing. Only time will tell.
This was a bad year for college pitching, it was a terrible year for college hitting.
So, rather than go after upside, the Cardinals went after college players.
Initial reaction is this draft feels like the 2017 draft.
If teams could draft talent by looking at college batting averages and ERAs, they wouldn’t need scouts. (In fact, I think Marge Schott tried that once…)
Doesn’t the current regime have a pretty good record in finding players?
Not like there is 60+ pitchers draft eligible in college with sub 3 era’s.
Helsley who is an All-star this year had an ERA over 4 at Northeastern in Oklahoma just for reference
I’ve been laying out the stats for Cardinal draftees for 25 years, and have never seen a draft quite like this one.
For example, D.J. Carpenter from Oregon State had an ERA of
7.77. In 24.1 innings he gave up 33 hits and opponents batted .314 against him. Joseph King, the kid out of Cal? he gave up 80 hits in 72.2 innings, only struck out 60, and had a .285 BAA. Not exactly stellar stats for a 9th round pick. Matt Hickey from the baseball factory Tarleton had an ERA of 6.75 and gave up 37 hits in 32 innings. Opponents batted .294 against him. But the best head scratching example is Hunter Hayes from U. of the Pacific. In 64.2 innings, he gave up 106 hits and walked 25. BBA was
.361. Wow.On the position player side, I always look for either a high BA and high OBP and/or power and speed. I actually like Victor Scott’s speed (38 stolen bases), but a college hitter with a BA of .278 isn’t very impressive. Alex
ladisernia? Hit .276 with only 6 home runs for little Elon University. Not exactly SEC competition. And over the years I haven’t seen many 5′ 10″ drafted outfielders who haven’t exhibited much power or speed go very far.Again, to me (at least) this is an unusual draft. I respect the scouts and think they do a fine job, but maybe the field after the first few rounds just wasn’t very fertile this year.
I do like Hjerpe, Mautz, Hanson, Rajcic, and Crooks though.
I remember looking at Tyler Lyons stats at Ok St and wondering why on earth he got drafted and I remember someone make a long post saying he would do better against wood bats and I thought they were nuts. Well, he didn’t turn into Cy Young but he did a lot better than I ever expected. For all I know Flores decided to focus on guys who hauled hay during their high school summers instead of playing video games. But they seem to have a strategy. Lets see how it looks in 3 years before writing it off.
Flores has earned the benefit of the doubt. I have faith in him. He is the star of the Cardinal organization, along with the player development department.
It wouldn’t surprise me to see Flores become a GM or PBO at some point. I hope the Cardinals can keep him long term though.
I think the early rounds were solid though all have some question marks. The back end seems kind of rough though I’m glad they went with mostly college guys over high school guys. At least college guys even if not a big program have some experience. Never know, maybe find a diamond in the rough
Well a local boy from Evansville north high school got drafted by the dodgers. Pretty sweet. Cameron decker. I don’t pay much attention to the local scene since I don’t coach any ball anymore and my own kids are grown but seems like a good player. Hopefully things go well for him.
Based on the odds, only several members of this draft class will make it to the major leagues and stick. Just never seen an overall class this bland, though. The only real diamond in the rough that sticks out from a statistical standpoint is Jack Lynch from Xavier. 9-0 with and ERA of 2.80. BAA of .204. Struck out 77 in 64 innings. Much better.
Our higher up draft guys are statistically very good.
Cooper Hjerpe struck out 160 in 103.1 innings. .186 BAA. That’s smokin’. Mautz struck out 129 in 90.2 innings.
Hanson struck out 120 in 107.2 innings. Only walked 19.
Rajcic struck out 76 in 60.1 innings. Those top 4 pitchers that we took are going to be good to follow.All 20 rounds of the 2022 draft are in the books. As the #STLCards work to get them signed, read up and watch video on all of the newest batch of prospects, free at The Cardinal Nation. https://t.co/tLzTe9KJ2Q pic.twitter.com/DHEXjHwC9a
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) July 20, 2022
Every year there seem to be several players in later rounds who’s stats just pop out at you. Possible dark horses. Matt Adams was one of those. Graceffo was another one, although he was a 5th round draftee. Flores and the scouts do their jobs well, but there don’t seem to be any dark horses this draft. Stats aren’t the end all, but they do tell somewhat of a story.
When you draft 22nd sometimes there is not a lot Flores can do. I think he has done well despite being behind so many teams. I think Pittsburgh is going to be good soon.
I laud Flores. He’s done a great job. Just not really excited about smallish outfielders from small schools who hit barely .300 and have 5 home runs and 6 stolen bases in 56 games. We have too many of those types in the system already.
How would one know who is a “dark horse” in advance? If we know them, then they aren’t dark horses, are they?
I agree that smallish OFs aren’t sexy, but doesn’t that classification include Bader and O’Neill?
Bling, how often have the Cards underspent in recent years’ drafts? Not every glass is half empty.
Passing judgment on a draft a few days later is inexact, to be polite. Players can and do get better. Which ones are anyone’s guess.
Brian, you do a fabulous job of covering the Cardinals minor league system and it players. But the reality is that only a few will ever wear a major league uniform. And when they draft a player out of a D-II or D-III school who hasn’t put up decent numbers, the chances of him ever making it are less than slim. He’s probably no more than a filler.
We can’t have lots of Walkers and Winns in the system. I understand that. But how can fans get excited about guys like Hurst, Pinder, or Toerner?
Now, you want an example of a “dark house”? How about LV Jones. He was out his whole sophomore year at Long Beach State, and only played in 14 games as a redshirt sophomore the year we drafted him. But in those 14 games he slashed
.327/.377/.509/.886. Better than any of our 2022 draft picks. Those stats stood out to me so I started reading up on him and finally read what his coached said about him.
Thought he was outstanding and had barely tapped into his
very high ceiling. I’m sure you researched the same things. After that I highlighted him as a “dark horse”. He’s starting to come on strong now at Peoria. Just turned 23 last month. Compare him to the 26 year olds at Springfield – Chase Pinder and Justin Toerner. Fillers. That’s all I’m saying.
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