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I agree! Interesting draft none the less. I like the potential of the pitching picks. Some interesting projects.
Here’s the difference, Brian. To begin with, Harrison Bader isn’t 5’10” and 175 lbs. like some of our minor league outfielders. He’s 6 ft. and weighs 210 lbs. His draft year, he had 16 doubles, 17 home runs and 66 RBI in 67 games. Plus he could fly. Here are the power numbers of some of our draft picks. Isn’t power a big deal now?
Crooks – 9 home runs
Scott – 6 home runs
ladiaernia – 6 home runs
Church – 5 home runs
Curialle – 5 home runs
Moore – 5 home runsFinally, at the 19th pick they chose a guy who’s intriguing. Chris Rolando from Villanova had a slash of
.359/.475/.656/1.131. Good combination of both power and speed – 12 home runs and 14 stolen bases in 49 games. Why did he last so long? Maybe because he stayed in school for 4 years and got his degree. He was actually a graduate student. Plus the level of competition Villanova plays isn’t the SEC. But if I could pick a “dark horse” (sorry Brian) position player in this draft class, he would be it.Smallish OFs drafted in recent years.
In 2013, O’Neill was 6’0, 200 when taken by Seattle. He is listed at 5’11, 200 today.
On 2015 draft day, Bader was 6’0, 195, Plummer was 5’10, 200.
2017 Hurst was 5’10, 175, Pinder was 6’1, 190.
The two OFs taken on Day 2 this year are 5’11, 190 and 5’11, 180. Maybe one of them can become a CF, where size and weight are less important.
Chase Pinder is listed on both the Springfield roster and Baseball Reference as 5′ 11″. Must have shrunk from his draft day.
Here’s another example of a “dark horse” that has stood out for me – Ryan Loutos out of D3 Washington University in St. Louis. Local kid. Big pitcher at 6′ 5″, 215 lbs. Wasn’t drafted last year, but signed a FA contract with the Cardinals. He was 11-1 with Wash U. and had an ERA of 1.33. WHIP of 0.82. Only gave up 66 hits in 94.2 innings and struck out 116. Only walked 12. Where is he now? Pitching for Memphis and a telephone call away from the big leagues. Will he make it? Who knows, but his college stats were better than most of this year’s pitcher draftees after the first several rounds.
Yes, it is a good reminder that there can be some fudging going on about size.
Loutos would have been more of a dark horse if you had called him out when he was signed. It is later now as he is already in Triple-A and ranked on our Top 50. Undrafted free agents don’t often reach St. Louis but it does happen. Brandon Dickson (from a DII school) immediately comes to mind. Loutos is on track.
These may be more common in the future since the draft has been cut in half in size. Of course, there are also fewer minor league teams and perhaps (not proven) a shorter leash given players to produce.
I have a hand written spread sheet of all the Cardinals draftees and FA signings for each year, Brian. Last year, Loutos has an asterisk next to his name, denoting someone to watch. A possible “dark horse”. I’ll email it to you if you would like. The guys I have noted to watch who weren’t top round draft picks are Loutos, Graceffo, Willis, and Antico.
Cards usually draft 1-2 Div II or Div III guys with near vídeo game numbers (think Matt Adams) but didnt see that this year.
Out of curiosity, who should the Cardinals have selected instead of these picks?
Everyone knows the baseball draft is a massive crap shoot and it only becomes more difficult to find talent with each passing round. Given the Cardinal’s recent success in amateur scouting, I think they probably have a solid gauge on what lottery tickets they want to select and try to develop. The benefit of the franchise is they seem to have a pretty good understanding of what they want from players and how to train them. There is a reason why several franchises can’t figure out how to build a roster through the draft – they don’t know what kind of talent they want and/or they don’t know how to build them into big league talent.
Yes, they are good at developing players. But there has to be something to work with. Take Chase Pinder. 5’10’ 175 lbs. outfielder drafted in the 7th round out of Clemson in 2017.
He didn’t set the world on fire in college and is now a 26 year old guy playing at AA. The best he could ever hope for is a small sip of coffee at Busch.I don’t really see the issue with drafting Pinder where the Cardinals did.
Here is the full draft from that class.
https://www.baseball-almanac.com/draft/baseball-draft.php?yr=2017
The picks between Pinder and the Cardinals next selection of Wilberto Rivera aren’t exactly littered with high-quality talent. I’m guessing, if you looked at the careers of that entire round, most of them probably ended up out of pro ball well before this season. The fact Pinder has been good enough to advance to Double-A and stick with the team for five years is pretty decent at selection 214.
I can see potential in #1 – #4. Also Rajcic and Winquest and I’ll throw in Curialle and Carpenter as long shots. I like this class of ’22 a lot.
Winquest had a 5.40 ERA at Texas Arlington.
Carpenter had a 7.77 ERA at Oregon State. Gave up 33 hits in 24 innings.
Curialle had 5 home runs and 9 stolen bases the entire season for UCLA.
BHC said:
Did anyone see that the slot values were changed a couple of days before the draft?
You didn’t provide any detail, but my guess is you saw the shorthand amounts listed on the MLB tracker. Is that correct?
I suspect it may be in error, because on Wednesday, after the draft, Jim Callis ran an article with the prior values and with no mention of change.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-draft-2022-bonus-pools-pick-values
As I mentioned Tuesday, MLB slightly adjusted @MLBDraft slots, increasing them by .05% to bring the total of the 30 team pools to $280 mil. Related to anticipated compensation pick for Conforto not happening b/c he didn't sign.
Updated slots & pools here: https://t.co/ljCTM79CTU pic.twitter.com/QLHzb1SZ2j
— Jim Callis (@jimcallisMLB) July 21, 2022
Looks like 5 players have signed from the first round, including Holliday, Jones, and Rocker. All right about at their slot amount.
Thanks for the update, BCC. A few more bucks to the players is good but the whole draft pooling is under scrutiny since it would be illegal if not for the game’s antitrust exemption. Another example of the owners setting financial boundaries to protect them from themselves.
One things I Will be watching is how Crooks fares against a few catchers who were drafted after him in the same next round. Several were ranked higher than him.
ROUND(#)……NAME…………..POS…….SLOT BONUS…….SIGNING BONUS…….SURPLUS
1 (22)……..Cooper Hjerpe…..LHP…….$3,182,200…….$3,182,200………..$0
2 (59)……..Brycen Mautz……LHP…….$1,246,200…….$1,100,000………..$146,200
3 (97)……..Pete Hansen…….LHP…….$629,800………$629,800………….$0
4 (127)…….Jimmy Crook…….C………$470,300………$470,300………….$0
5 (157)…….Victor Scott……OF……..$350,400
6 (187)…….Max Rajcic……..RHP…….$270,700………$600,000………….-$329,300
7 (217)…….Alex Iadisernia…OF……..$212,000
8 (247)…….Cade Winquest…..RHP…….$174,600
9 (277)…….Joseph King…….RHP…….$159,100
10 (307)……Tanner Jacobson…RHP…….$150,600………????????…………..???????SUBTOTAL……………………………..$6,845,900……$5,982,300………..$863,600
Above Slot (Round 11-20)……………………………..$0
Pool Money Plus 5%…………………….$7,188,195……$5,982,300………..$1,205,89511 (337)…….Nathan Church…..OF
12 (367)…….Michael Curialle..SS
13 (397)…….Chandler Arnold…RHP
14 (427)…….DJ Carpenter……RHP
15 (457)…….Matt Hickey…….RHP
16 (487)…….Hunter Hayes……RHP
17 (517)…….Brody Moore…….SS
18 (547)…….John Lynch……..LHP
19 (577)…….Chris Rotondo…..OF
20 (607)…….Gavin Van Kempen..RHP
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