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February 15, 2022 at 9:14 am #180022
The next collective bargaining session between MLB and the MLBPA has not yet been scheduled. The players are still determining how they want to respond to the league’s proposal from Saturday.
— Evan Drellich (@EvanDrellich) February 15, 2022
February 15, 2022 at 9:41 am #180023Jeff Gordon highlights the Manfred clown show.
Tipsheet: Manfred, owners, players look ridiculous as lockout drags on https://t.co/2wUi2OgSjC
— STLToday Sports News (@STL_SportsNews) February 15, 2022
February 16, 2022 at 4:36 pm #180052It will be their sixth negotiating session in 78 days since the MLB lockout https://t.co/9yK0ILBYx2
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) February 16, 2022
February 17, 2022 at 7:35 am #180058The Cardinal Nation’s series highlighting the history of labor struggles in MLB continues with the spark that ignited Curt Flood’s challenge of the reserve clause. Author Marilyn Green is a retired attorney with background in employment law. (free) https://t.co/mDibhBtMlN pic.twitter.com/8mKwvdoeid
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) February 17, 2022
February 17, 2022 at 1:57 pm #180064Hello and goodbye!
The #MLB and #MLBPA negotiating session is over after just 15 minutes.
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) February 17, 2022
February 17, 2022 at 1:58 pm #180065One view of the thorniest issue.
They've barely bargained on the CBT — and almost everyone with whom I talk believes luxury tax will be the issue that causes the most consternation.
MLB and the union have completely different worldviews. On, like, everything. But when they nitty-gritty CBT, we're near a deal. https://t.co/KYkwhUdaho
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) February 17, 2022
February 18, 2022 at 8:42 am #180085MLBPA fighting misinformation from radio yakkers…
This tweet is inaccurate. There is no such agreement. https://t.co/cByKa7MCmO
— Chris Dahl (@Chris_Dahl) February 17, 2022
February 18, 2022 at 10:58 am #180090Picking an opponent should NEVER happen. To me that challenges the integrity of the game. This simply cannot be allowed.
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February 18, 2022 at 1:29 pm #180096Negotiations will reopen on Monday.
MLB statement on spring training pic.twitter.com/fsl9ImjgYv
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) February 18, 2022
February 18, 2022 at 2:22 pm #180097Picking an opponent should NEVER happen. To me that challenges the integrity of the game. This simply cannot be allowed.
r/Esteemed Rat
I agree Rat. It sounds like something Vince McMahon would come up with.
February 18, 2022 at 3:31 pm #180099This is technically true. The lockout was a choice, not mandated. The negotiation of the new CBA could have taken place while operating under the old CBA. The owners chose not to do this because they feared the players might strike during the season, which is what I believe happened in 1994.
MLBPA responds to MLB's earlier statement delaying the start of Spring Training games: https://t.co/s22ZlUx36c
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) February 18, 2022
February 18, 2022 at 4:08 pm #180100I suspect the primary reason for the lockout is for MLB to hold the high ground. In any negotiation, no one wants to be on even footing. They want the advantage.
If they wanted to negotiate in good faith, they would have started talks two years ago or even a year ago. The Dec. 1 deadline was known for a long, long time.
Bottom line is that the owners have locked out the players. It isn’t technically true, it is true, period. The players seem willing to report under prior rules with negotiations continuing. Apparently, ownership doesn’t want that.
On the strike risk, it seems to me that owners would do better financially if they could start the season on time and play x number of games even if there is risk of a later strike compared to not playing any games. Instead, the owners don’t want to start at all, hoping the union will fold and they can play the back part of the season under the new CBA with terms more favorable to them (not the least of which is their newest baby, the expanded playoffs).
The lockout is all about one side trying to weaken the resolve of the other.
February 18, 2022 at 8:17 pm #180103Still very very bullish on the regular season not losing any games off the 162 slate. Watch what happens here in the next 12 days. Play ball!
February 18, 2022 at 9:43 pm #180104Juan Soto turned down a 13-year, $350 million contract from the Washington Nationals…the players need to continue holding out…how can anyone be expected to survive in these inflationary times on a paltry $350 million?
February 19, 2022 at 2:57 am #180105All of this was just so, so unnecessary.
February 19, 2022 at 11:25 am #180111Someone created a website tracking the length of the MLB lockout. It’s at 79 days. https://t.co/lB3wcbXi68
— James Wagner (@ByJamesWagner) February 19, 2022
February 19, 2022 at 11:47 am #180112Juan Soto turned down a 13-year, $350 million contract from the Washington Nationals…the players need to continue holding out…how can anyone be expected to survive in these inflationary times on a paltry $350 million?
The elite players are always going to get their money. I think this conflict stems from the MLBPA trying to get more money into younger players hands who aren’t in the top tier of talent.
While the CBT is a big issue I think a bigger issue is arbitration. If the owners would agree to players being eligible for arbitration after two years I think this stalemate would be settled immediately.
February 20, 2022 at 9:13 pm #180128We now basically have one week – just 7 days – to resolve these issues before regular season games will have to be cancelled. 7 days.
Are there any meetings scheduled for this week? Will the midnight oil be burned at some point in time this week?
r/Esteemed Rat
February 21, 2022 at 7:27 am #180131This week has got to be much better than last week: Critical labor negotiations resume at 1 p.m ET today in Jupiter, Fla., and are scheduled every day this week in hopes of striking a deal by Feb. 28 to preserve the start of the regular season. https://t.co/pv9shXqlMS
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) February 21, 2022
February 21, 2022 at 9:45 am #180142Maybe it’s time for us to move past this CBA chat and start talking spring training baseball. I think to a man(and woman), we all know deep down inside that this squabble is right on the precipice of being resolved. Let’s play some ball!
February 21, 2022 at 2:45 pm #180145This whole thing is not really about more money for players (A bigger part of the take for players is what the players say this is all about.) It’s about what the players perceive as fairness. Surely, a starting salary of around $600k plus all the millions upon millions of dollars that are awarded to players in arbitration and in long term contracts is plenty of money for players. The players simply think that the Owners are making more money than they should be allowed to make, and that they are compelled by conscience to do something about it. It really amounts to activism. And this complicates negotiations because you get everyone saying it’s about money when it’s not. If players and owners are are going to argue, they need to know precisely what they are arguing about. In this case it’s about principles, not money. The players have their principles and the owners have theirs. Both sides have to have negotiators who can work through this in order to come up with an amicable settlement.
I commented, maybe a year ago, that they ought to give more money to young players so that they can get a jump on becoming multi-millionaires. I’d like to see every player that gets added to a 40 man roster get a taste of the big money. Give them $400K, or $500K, just for making it to a 40 man roster, and keep paying them until they make it to a 25 man roster, or until they are off of a 40 man roster. The particulars of how that can be made to work can be worked out. Also, the starting salary for a major league player can be increased so they get their millions sooner.
February 21, 2022 at 3:03 pm #180146For those getting excited about a potential labor deal today: Chill. It's the first day of bargaining that could go on for a week. The hope is to lay groundwork, then make progress as talks continue. Take solace in the fact they've met for three hours.
Sincerely,
Debbie Downer pic.twitter.com/Eq0aSf1apD
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) February 21, 2022
February 21, 2022 at 4:02 pm #180147I’d rather a player gets paid millions because they earned it, not because they just made it onto the 40 man roster and such, sometimes a player is added simply to fill out the 40 man, with no chance of playing anytime soon, they shouldn’t get monetarily rewarded for that. To me that sounds like kids getting participation trophies for everything. Not every player is going to become a multi-millionare, I’d guess that most won’t get the big bucks.
February 21, 2022 at 9:19 pm #180152Incremental concessions, and still no progress on the CBT. @JesseRogersESPN from Jupiter … https://t.co/b3oaAVljRW
— Alden González (@Alden_Gonzalez) February 22, 2022
February 22, 2022 at 4:32 pm #180158The two sides are scheduled to meet again Wednesday, but the first two days of negotiations in Jupiter, Fla., has produced little movement. https://t.co/IPn8OJkpKl
— Bob Nightengale (@BNightengale) February 22, 2022
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