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    Teams draft for talent more than need. If the pitcher scores higher, they probably would not take the lower-ranked outfielder instead.

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    I have seen Cole Wilcox pitch in person and he throws with a lot of velocity but his control is sometimes off.

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    Brian do you like Crow-Armstrong? He is a Vanderbilt Guy from the West Coast. I think teams draft first for need if several players are rated even by the scouts. I imagine the 4 players that I listed are pretty close in how the Cardinal scouts view them. It often comes down to which area scout convinces Flores to take. I know this happened in the case of Trejyn Fletcher because the area scout told me it did.

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    The Cards have always drafted the best player available until they get to the later rounds, when they draft by position to fill out lower level rosters. I think with a shortened draft, they’ll draft right away for need.

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    Well, what the Cardinals need are middle infielders…

    Of the four listed, I would go with Cole Wilcox…

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    I don’t have any feeling on which RH pitcher the Cardinals like best. I have never seen the Oklahoma pitcher but between CM and Wilcox IMO CM is the more polished pitcher. Crow-Armstrong may be too talented to pass on.

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    Let’s see:

    Wilcox: 1.57 ERA, 0.87 WHIP, 32K, 2 BB
    Mlodzinski: 2.84 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 22k, 8 BB

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    Mlodzinski is going to get drafted off being the best pitcher in Cape Cod last summer. He broke his foot in 2019 and this season only had 4 starts. Wilcox isn’t even Georgia’s top pitching prospect…Emerson Hancock is and his ERA was .375. So using 3 or 4 starts in 2020 is no way an indicator of how the draft will go.

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    SP –

    Flaherty
    Hudson
    Martinez
    Mikolas
    Kim
    Gant
    Gomber
    Helsley
    Fernandez
    Reyes
    Cabrera
    Woodford
    Thompson
    Liberatore
    Oviedo
    Rondon
    Roberts
    Pallante
    Locey

    OF –

    Fowler
    Bader
    O’Neill
    Carlson
    Thomas
    Williams
    Torres

    Middle IF –

    DeJong
    Wong
    Edman
    Sosa
    Robertson

    Key to the draft?

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    My guess is that for St. Louis to get a middle inf. it will be with their 2nd pick at #54.

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    With all those talented pitchers, and the need for pitching by so many other teams, you’d think the Cardinals could make a trade for just about any need they have. But the only time I can think of that they traded pitching for a position player was the trade of Marco Gonzales for Tyler O’Neill. Gonzales pitched 203 innings for Seattle in 2019. The Cardinals are still waiting for O’Neill to win a spot on their major league roster.

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    mudville wrote:

    But the only time I can think of that they traded pitching for a position player was the trade of Marco Gonzales for Tyler O’Neill.

    Lotsa examples.

    Shelby Miller and Tyrell Jenkins for Jason Heyward
    Sandy Alcantara, Zac Gallen and others for Marcell Ozuna
    Luke Weaver and others for Paul Goldschmidt

    That is an entire big league rotation right there.

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    Also, Scouts like Mlodzinski because: 1. He doesn’t have a lot of innings on his arm 2. He achieved his greatest success in the Cape against wooden bats.

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    What typical percentage of draftees are college and high schoolers? And college seniors?

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    Also, it seems that this draft will be more projection based than ever. And there will be many, many non drafted free agents. Given the Cardinals success in later rounds, might that give them an advantage? What about future drafts? More kids staying in school could strengthen the 2021 thru 2023 drafts.

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    Forgot to add Siejas to the pitchers list.

    As one poster said, the minor league
    cupboard is just about bare for middle infielders. Does anyone have a middle infield prospect they’re excited about?

    As far as outfield prospects, are there any prospects below AAA that anyone is excited about besides Torres and the long shot Fletcher?

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    27 –

    Last year, 51 of 78 (65.4%) first day signed draftees were college players.
    In the entire draft over the past 5 years, 75-78% have been players from 4 year colleges.

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    Not many high-quality free agents because of the $20,000 limit.

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    9. Pete Crow-Armstrong, OF, Harvard-Westlake (HS)
    If Harvard-Westlake’s name sounds familiar, that’s because it’s the same school that has produced Jack Flaherty, Lucas Giolito, and Max Fried. If Crow-Armstrong’s name sounds familiar, that’s because his parents are both actors (Ashley Crow and Matthew Armstrong) and he’s the same outfielder who made a terrific grab during the Under-18 Baseball World Cup. He could be an impact-level defender in center thanks to his range, arm, and all-out demeanor. He isn’t expected to be a zero at the plate, either, thanks to a contact-tailored swing that could make him a leadoff type. Crow-Armstrong may be a Vanderbilt commit, but he seems unlikely to ever caw on campus.

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    The Cards have generally been woeful with the results of their highly drafted high school position players. Carlson is a noted exception. Probably better they pick highly talented middle infielders and outfielders from the college ranks in their first few picks.

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    I don’t think you pass on Crow-Armstrong.

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    bccran said:

    The Cards have generally been woeful with the results of their highly drafted high school position players. Carlson is a noted exception.

    Nolan Gorman wonders why you don’t respect him? 😉

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    I will ask again, Brian what do you think about Crow-Armstrong being the Cardinals 1st Rd. pick?

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    Sorry, I missed the question the first time. I had noted earlier in this discussion that because of the inherent uncertainty and low probability than any given player becomes a Cardinal, I do not invest a lot of time looking into players pre-draft. While I am familiar with Crow-Armstrong, I don’t have a feel for where I would draft him.

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    He is based on most of the Mock Drafts going to be picked somewhere around the Cardinals spot at # 21. It appears it may be him or a college pitcher.

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