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I hope you’re right, Shady. And I’m wishing for Burleson to turn out to be a combination of John Schwarber and Kyle Kruk…
Mr shady…I acknowledge his hitting potential. But he’s 25 and in his 3rd season. How long do we have to wait for that potential to translate to hitting prowess?
I have a problem with a guy who can’t run, can’t field, has no track record of success at this level, and is occupying a MOTOB position in the lineup while not even being a league average hitter (99 OPS+).
This is why we’re once again a last place team. I’d guess 2/3 of the mlb teams would not have your boy on their roster.
Burleson is Kieth Hernandez that cannot play defense. Offensively he and Hernandez are nearly the same producers, but defensively, well, we all Hernandez is among the best to ever play at 1b, defensively. You can’t win with burrlson playing first, you can’t win with him in the outfield because he brings no other visable attriutes besides a possible .330 hitter who will hit 12 HRs a year. This organization is lost, and it stems from going AWAY from the Cardinal way and wanting to be like the Tampa Bay Rays, analytics. Look at the roster, its full of a bunch of utility players that the orginization thinks is an everyday player. Well, not on a championship team, hate to break it to you. We all onow why Shildt got canned, he told Mo they were wrong in wanting to be like Tampa Bay, who by the way has never won anything except “lets have a winning record and spend the least”. Oli Moronal has to go, with Mo, and get back to Cardinals baseball.
Concerning attendance, those who actually believe the Cardinals are averaging almost 40,000 a game, let me break it to you. There has not been 39k at a game all year. There hasnt been 25k since opening week. All accross baseball attendance is a big lie. They are not counting people that came through the gates like they once did. They are counting tickets bought, tickets the gave away to businesses, hospitals, little league, promotions, etc. If the attendence states 38k, then the actual attendance is likely 20. I mean, look at the crowds in the seats folks, you think that missing 15k are all in restrooms, getting concessions? Lol. Turn on youtube and watch a Monday Night Baseball from 1970s or 80s. Thats 35k folks, on a mid season Monday night. Or, watch an NFL game, weird how there 40k sure looks twice the size as a MLB game with 39k.
lieve the Cardinals are averaging almost 40,000 a game, let me break it to you. There has not been 39k at a game all year. There hasnt been 25k since opening week. All accross baseball attendance is a big lie. They are not counting people that came through the gates like they once did. They are counting tickets bought, tickets the gave away to businesses, hospitals, little league, promotions, etc. If the attendence states 38k, then the actual attendance is likely 20. I mean, look at the crowds in the seats folks, you think that missing 15k are all in restrooms, getting concessions? Lol. Turn on youtube and watch a Monday Night Baseball from 1970s or 80s. Thats 35k folks, on a mid season Monday night. Or, watch an NFL game, weird how there 40k sure looks twice the size as a MLB game with 39k.
I think 30-32K is a given, with corporate season tickets and whatever else. So announced attendance over that gauges fan interest. Just my opinion, I do not have inside information.
punchout, welcome.
Regarding attendance, many folks on this board have been discussing poor attendance since the start of the season. I doubt you will find anyone here confused about reported vs. actual attendance. No one knows just how wide the gap actually is, but it seems to be growing.
(On a side point, I just saw an article noting that the A’s are barely averaging 6,000 this season!)
I have to strongly disagree with you on this point:
Burleson is Kieth Hernandez that cannot play defense. Offensively he and Hernandez are nearly the same producers…
Hernandez is a former NL MVP and is a Hall of Famer on two different teams, including the Cardinals. His career OPS+ is 128, 28% higher than league average. His mark as a Cardinal only was slightly higher at 130.
On the other hand, for his career to date, Burleson is a below MLB average hitter with a career OPS+ of 86, 14% below an average player. If Burly could learn to hit like Hernandez, it would be a revelation, but he still has a long way to go just to become above-average.
I wish I understood why Burly gets so much attention…
Fans can “rag” on Burleson all they want. But the reality is, Goldschmidt, Arenado, Gorman, Nootbaar, Donovan and Walker have all underachieved more than Burleson has this season. Anybody disagree with that?
Burleson and Hernandez is…well, I’m not sure. As for as attendance, there were 3 ducks at yesterday’s game.
I wish I understood why Burly gets so much attention…
Because GameCard is not around to talk about Eddie
Well burleson has yet to achieve anything so obviously you cant say he has underachieved unless you count possible fan expectations. Goldy n arenado have achieved something so yea they have underachieved this yesr. And no burleson doesnt in anyway compare with keith hernandez right now anyway.
I do not mean Burly is, I meant the best he will ever be at his best. He might hit .330, but limited power and poor defense. John Mabry, but Mabry played better defense the Burly.
I wish I understood why Burly gets so much attention…
Brian, surely you must know that the entire Cardinals universe revolves around Alec Burleson and Thomas Saggese . . .
I do not mean Burly is, I meant the best he will ever be at his best. He might hit .330, but limited power and poor defense. John Mabry, but Mabry played better defense the Burly.
A comp of John Mabry (90 OPS+, 88 wRC+)? Now you’re cooking with gas (at least so far) . . .
Although in fairness to Mabry, at the comparable stage of his career, he had a 102 OPS+, not 86.
I don’t rag on Burly, but I may soon. I’ve had a belly full of Burly in every single forum thread. It’s nothing more than hijacking every thread, and this threads topic is FAR more important than a AAA depth player getting injury backfill PA’s.
Chill. This is just Cardinals baseball discussion. It’s not a critical, life changing scenario. Back to Cardinals baseball discussion. With the way things have transpired this season, Burleson is now a key hitter if the Cardinals hope to get a wildcard.
I don’t rag on Burly, but I may soon. I’ve had a belly full of Burly in every single forum thread. It’s nothing more than hijacking every thread, and this threads topic is FAR more important than a AAA depth player getting injury backfill PA’s.
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Reminds me of the obsession that some had with Luke Voit quite a few years back, only it’s literally every thread.
shady wrote:
Folks, I know some here are not even trying to acknowledge Burleson’s hitting potential. That’s fine. Some of it may be because of my promoting him. That’s really kind of sad. But, no biggie. I see Burly’s hitting talent. Let’s see how this plays out.
My observation is that a majority of folks here want Burly to well but are tired of talking about him non-stop. Maybe a diversification of your interests would be a positive development.
jj wrote:
“I don’t rag on Burly, but I may soon. I’ve had a belly full of Burly in every single forum thread. It’s nothing more than hijacking every thread, and this threads topic is FAR more important than a AAA depth player getting injury backfill PA’s.”
I concur.
Some teams are making trades to try to fortify their team. Wonder if Mo has anything going. What would you recommend? Within the organization, I wouldn’t mind Gorman and Prieto switching levels, for now.
So per the actual topic of this thread, you think swapping out Gorman for Prieto “for now” (whatever that means) will “fix the Cardinals?”
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