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  • #251284
    bccran
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    I’ve never said this before in all the decades that I’ve been a Cardinal fan, but I truly think this organization needs a shakeup. But where do you start? For Mo to move on? For Oli to be replaced? For Gary LaRocque to retire? Maybe Chaim Bloom is the first step forward.

    #251285
    jj-cf-stl
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    I’d prefer Mo’s successor take the helm asap. We’re trending as sellers. If that continues, I’d want the new boss to make the transactions at this deadline and next winter. Cold turkey with someone else’s roster during ST could just prolong the rebuild.

    #251287
    Shady
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    Worth noting in regards to the article I posted yesterday. Burleson is starting today at 1B instead of Goldschmidt. Even against a very good LHP. Very interesting.

    #251290
    blingboy
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    I also noticed Gorman is not in the lineup vs the lefty.

    #251296
    ZTR
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    This is just a question:

    Why do we think Chaim Bloom is the answer to replace Mo?

    #251301
    gscottar
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    Why do we think Chaim Bloom is the answer to replace Mo?

    We don’t really. His time with Tampa was good but his time with Boston was not so good.

    Supposedly he was involved with us getting Fernandez, O’Brien, and Kittredge, who have all been pretty good thus far.

    The reason I bring him up is because he is already in the organization and BDW likes to promote from within, therefore based on experience, I would choose Bloom over Girsch or Flores.

    #251307
    AlbertTheMachine
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    It is worth noting the rotation that Bloom built for Boston is leading the majors in ERA currently.

    #251312
    LACardFan
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    Maybe the Cardinals need to hire Trea Turner as a hitting coach:

    Bat Whisperer

    #251315
    ZTR
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    I think it’s pretty clear the entire organization needs a hard reset.

    New ownership would be great but that’s probably not happening anytime soon

    #251318
    Shady
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    With the, currently, dubious situations with Goldschmidt, Contreras, Gorman, Nootbaar and Walker, Herrera and Burleson now become key hitters for the Cardinals. They both have the ability to drive in runs. I believe they’ll surprise some Cardinals fans with their production. A few weeks ago, some wanted Burly shipped to Memphis. Now, he’s one of the keys to any hopes for a wildcard birth.

    #251319
    jj-cf-stl
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    Good points GS. I could see Bill staying in-house. Mo’s hiring as GM was “from within” too.

    #251324
    bccran
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    They can stay in-house if they replace Oli with Stubby. Stubby should have gotten the job anyway.

    #251325
    blingboy
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    With both Burleson and Herrera the issue is how to keep them in the lineup if they do hit. They are both a liability at their position.

    #251326
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    blingboy, from what I’ve seen this season, Burleson is at least average at LF, RF and 1B. The Cardinals must agree. They don’t seem hesitant to play him at those three positions. However, he’ll likely get most PT as the DH.

    #251327
    Albert de Morcerf
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    But here’s the thing….

    Just because Burleson is now one of the Cards most productive hitters, doesn’t make him a good hitter.

    I do hate being a kill-joy, but these are Burleson’s numbers:

    .262/.303/.393/.696 99

    These numbers are terrible for a guy who doesn’t run well or field a position well. You don’t build teams around guys with a 99 OPS+ UNLESS they have another valuable skill (incredible speed or elite defense).

    So with all due respect, you need to slow your roll Mr Shady! Burleson is still a very disappointing player on a bad baseball team.

    #251329
    RBK
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    Shady wrote:

    Herrera and Burleson now become key hitters for the Cardinals. They both have the ability to drive in runs. I believe they’ll surprise some Cardinals fans with their production. A few weeks ago, some wanted Burly shipped to Memphis. Now, he’s one of the keys to any hopes for a wildcard birth.

    Here’s Shady just 24 hours (and 1 page) ago: “I’m disappointed in Burleson, offensively. I thought he was making progress, offensively. Then he regresses. . . I’m very disappointed in Burleson’s offensive development.”

    Now he’s “one of the keys to any hopes for a wildcard birth [sic]?”

    Talk about whiplash . . .

    #251330
    Brian Walton
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    jj-cf-stl said:

    I could see Bill staying in-house. Mo’s hiring as GM was “from within” too.

    True, but only after reported favorite Chris Antonetti from Cleveland did not want to be considered.

    #251331
    RBK
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    Wonder if Sig Mejdal was in the running for any of the POBO/GM openings in the last couple years? Not sure if the Luhnow bad blood extended to him. He and Elias have done a great job in Baltimore. All of those guys who left for Houston after the 2011 season have had impressive careers.

    #251332
    Brian Walton
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    Sig has the analytics part down, but the rest, I don’t know.

    As a side point, Sig’s Wiki entry cites as a source an interview I did with him in 2006. Unfortunately, it was purged by Scout/CBS. Might be in the Internet Wayback Machine or deep in my files somewhere…

    #251333
    RBK
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    In hindsight, that Cardinals FO from the 2005-2011 time period was pretty deep and high-powered. Unfortunately, Luhnow took many of the stars (including himself). Elias and Mejdal picked up right where they left off in Houston, and now in Baltimore.

    #251334
    blingboy
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    RBK, I have been relentlessly arguing that very thing for ten years. Mo has been coasting downhill ever since. Now he is at the bottom.

    #251335
    jj-cf-stl
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    I had forgotten the Antonetti interest BW. It’s a good reminder that Bill knows all of the possible candidates, as a very tenured owner.

    #251347
    Brian Walton
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    At the time, I counted 18 former Cardinals who went to Houston, most of them directly.

    #251348
    ZTR
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    …and it’s been a slow, steady decline ever since.

    #251349
    Shady
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    Folks, I know some here are not even trying to acknowledge Burleson’s hitting potential. That’s fine. Some of it may be because of my promoting him. That’s really kind of sad. But, no biggie. I see Burly’s hitting talent. Let’s see how this plays out.

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