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December 3, 2023 at 2:32 pm #238833
BP’s always seem to be a sort of commodity that is relatively unknown until the season begins to take shape. You really don’t know the value of what you own until you have it for a while. I guess that same concept can be applied to other areas of a team , but BP’s are almost always a work in progress. In any case, when the right formula proves to be particularly elusive, it can make for a lot of genuine frustration, numerous instances of the use of profanity and the occasional destruction of an end table lamp…Haha!
December 3, 2023 at 2:52 pm #238835Wandy Peralta has had a sub-3.0 ERA the last two years & sub-3.50 the last four years. Last year, he made $3.35 million.
December 3, 2023 at 3:44 pm #238837I am not sure what was up with Peralta last year. His FIP shot up to 5.05 and his BB/9 up to 5.0 (13%) but his ERA remained low (2.83). I notice that his BABiP was .220.
December 3, 2023 at 7:06 pm #238849Relievers seems to be inconsistent – good one year, not so much the next. Given their role they don’t really get a chance to be I. A regular groove, so it is understandable that they can be up and down. Plus they never work many innings.
On the favorite player things and trading, I learned at 12 years old that the baseball business will break your heart. It was that off season that we traded my favorite player, and two other favorites of mine – Ken Boyer, Bill White and Dick Groat.
I actually think this club needs to do that same sort of thing and work on moving Goldschmidt, Arenado, and Mikolas. But management is not going to do that.
December 3, 2023 at 7:13 pm #238851Well that’s just great. Now bikemike sounds like a broken record too. 😉
December 3, 2023 at 7:20 pm #238852Sorry about the duplicate. Sent it using my phone in a restaurant and it was slow on the uptake – I thought it did not send so hit it again!! Sheesh…
But to repeat..: 😀
December 3, 2023 at 8:11 pm #238854Ahh, I prefer not to email or post messages on my phone, only do it when I’m out of the house. Texting is about it since the eyes aren’t as good as they used to be. But hey bikemike, your posts are always worth a second read, haha.
December 3, 2023 at 8:41 pm #238858My edit disappears occasionally off my phone, and I can’t delete duplicate posts or edit my mistakes.
December 6, 2023 at 4:50 pm #239152Asked if he saw the #STLCards as World Series contenders with the pitching/roster constructed, POBO John Mozeliak said: "I do. We're excited about what we have. You've got to play games & you need a lot of things to happen. I can be as bullish as I want, but that's why we play."
— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) December 6, 2023
December 6, 2023 at 5:26 pm #239160That is amusing. 6th worst in MLB to WS contender. Mo really thinks he did a great job. Someone remind him that he thought he had a good team last winter too.
December 6, 2023 at 5:28 pm #239162Not amusing. Mo is closer to the truth than you are.
December 6, 2023 at 6:16 pm #239170GameCard – I am not seeing how we are substantially improved from last year. Especially with the infield/outfield combinations MO reeled off the other day.
December 6, 2023 at 6:30 pm #239173Pay no mind LACardFan, he just likes to take potshots at whatever I say. Years ago I had a twelve year old who did much the same so it doesn’t bother me.
December 6, 2023 at 6:39 pm #239174LA-Players play better that is how you do it.
December 9, 2023 at 11:07 am #239400Well Juan Yepez’s father is not a fan of Mo
If he enters the HOF for wasting talent, it may be, otherwise he must start winning titles and surrounding himself with better management. Greetings
— Omar Yepez (@OmarYepezve) December 8, 2023
December 9, 2023 at 11:17 am #239401So it was Mo’s fault that Yepez gained weight, struggled with Memphis most of 2023 and didn’t do much with St. Louis in 28 games, either? Right now, he is hitting .190 with an OPS of .499 in winter ball. He didn’t get a 40-man roster spot. He took a minor league deal with the Nats.
I wish him nothing but success ahead, but family members are not the most objective folks.
FWIW, I don’t think Harold Reynolds has a great perspective, either. As is most things, somewhere in the middle is the more reasonable spot to land.
December 9, 2023 at 11:40 am #239411Mo as a Hall of Famer? I don’t even know how to respond to that. Someone must have spiked Harold Reynolds’ drink.
December 9, 2023 at 11:47 am #239412Column: #Yankees or #STLCards? Cashman or Mozeliak? Which #MLB crown jewel regains a World Series Championship shine first? Which one is acting like it wants it more after horrid seasons? https://t.co/iNJDJL1aW2
— Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) December 9, 2023
December 9, 2023 at 3:28 pm #2394471982 willie
ParticipantWe’ve only made one good move this post season. That is getting gray. Lynn n Gibson count as average to below average moves but is consistent with this organization as of late. We are nowhere near a world series contender. I don’t consider the Cardinals a division contender at this point. Older players generally don’t get the magic back. If we had totally improved our pitching which was the biggest problem, I could believe that our younger guys could improve enough to offset the older guys hopefully slow decline and in the central we might do something. But we didn’t do that as of yet anyway.
December 9, 2023 at 5:20 pm #239479The model has been to be good enough to compete for a playoff spot, and then get some pitching help at the deadline. There doesn’t seem like any good reason to think BillMo would toss the model because it didn’t work one year. The model probably generates tons of cash for ownership.
December 9, 2023 at 5:44 pm #2394841982 willie
ParticipantYea but things change. Sometimes you have to change with it.
December 9, 2023 at 6:54 pm #23949282 Willie, your earlier post is spot on! What we basically have done is add Gray! If you look at last years starting 5 and include Montgomery you can probably even make the case that this starting 5 is worse! Gray at his best will add maybe 5 wins and that is nowhere near a division, much less a WS contender!
December 9, 2023 at 7:09 pm #239496I think sometimes we get too caught up in numbers when trying to explain things. Numbers can’t explain things that we can’t see. There are many things that go into whether a team is a winner or a loser. In 2022 we won 93 games and in 2023 we won 71 games. We had the same front office, same manager, and many of the same players. Why the difference? We have been trying to figure that out for months but we really don’t know. Weak rotation? Lack of leadership? Perhaps so but sometimes teams just have a down year and then bounce back.
In 1982 we had a World Series team, 1983 and 1984 not so good, 1985 was a World Series team, 1986 not so good, 1987 a World Series team, then the next few years not so good. Same ownership, same manager, and many of the same players. Baseball isn’t played by computers and robots. It is played by humans and humans fluctuate day by day and year by year. Different moods, attitudes, and performances.
So will the 2024 team be like 2022 or 2023? No one knows not even the computers.
December 9, 2023 at 7:20 pm #239498That’s good stuff gscottar. It is that way – teams will be good one year, and come back with basically the same group and things just don’t click. The Mets thought they positioned themselves to win the World Series this year adding two veteran pitchers (hmmm, sounds familiar). Those two guys did not even last the season with them and the team was only a couple games better than us.
We can look our roster and say, “no way we can turn around 20 games with this group.” But there are all kinds of examples of teams that did just that.
December 10, 2023 at 5:08 am #239512And where does luck factor into the calculations?
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