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Another item of interest, from yesterday’s pre game Ollie comments:
“I want a clubhouse full of guys that has one thing on their minds, and it’s not themselves. It’s winning a championship. So, you start out by weeding those out.”
So I assume he thinks there are such and they have yet to be weeded out.
Some of the MLBTR content is very good, especially the financial and free agent stuff. But some of the team-specific analysis, less so. I don’t know who this writer is and his level of connection with the team, but this just seems like random speculation.
The Herrera point is wrong. He is eligible for a fourth option.
“I want a clubhouse full of guys that has one thing on their minds, and it’s not themselves. It’s winning a championship. So, you start out by weeding those out.”
Championship-hungry clubhouse doesn’t matter without a championship-hungry penthouse.
I think our troubles this year stem from pitching dissapoints at our minor league levels.
Memphis didn’t provide much help this year. Liberatore, Graceffo, and Mcgreevy were clearly not effective, with Mcgreevy and Graceffo working fist full year at AAA. It will be interesting to see how the trade deadline acquisitions do also.
Cornwall pitched the best of AA pitchers. It will be interesting to see how Roby does in the AFL. Hence really struggled, but again he is very young.
Below AA, Bedell looked very good, but he is old for his level. Hjerpe, Willis and Love all were injured most of the year. Mautz, Rajcic, and Hansen all had fine seasons, but are likely at least 2 years away.
Championship-hungry clubhouse doesn’t matter without a championship-hungry penthouse.
Well said Euro.
Cardinals27, I appreciae that brief summary. It reminded me that I had meant to inquire about Hansen’s end of season cameo with Memphis. He had a real good year in A ball, and I am wondering if they might be thinking of skipping him over AA. Or was that just some fluke thing with no implications?
Regarding McGreevy and Graceffo, they were both young for Triple-A. They may not be ready for MLB, but that doesn’t mean they performed poorly. Do a search and find a recent Bob Reed post about how their seasons stacked up against other under 24 year olds and the league. Your view of their 2023 seasons may change.
Regarding Hansen, it was just a perk for a good season and a fresh arm for a Memphis team that was depleted due to all the Cardinals pitchers dogging it – I mean going on the IL. Hansen almost certainly won’t be skipping over any levels next year, let alone two. He played for Palm Beach. In between there and Memphis are both Peoria and Springfield.
As I mentioned on another thread at the time of the Hansen move, they did that with Herrera a few years ago. After he had a good year in rookie ball, they moved him to Springfield at the tail end of the year. The next spring, he was in Low-A where he should have been. But it was an experience that was only positive.
If we are to indeed bring in 3 new starting pitchers, 1 will almost surly need to come via trade. For the right guy, that means trading one of our young core players. Would you trade one of Noot, Walker, Winn, or Gorman, who are the top tier? Or are they all off limits and you trade Tommy, Donovan, Carlson, and any of the other fringe guys? Or trade the second tier for proven bullpen arms? I am warming up to being ok with trading Noot or Gorman for one of the top young cost controlled guys. But I’d rather not. Will Bill spend enough on the first two guys answers the question on if we really need the third guy to be a Gilbert type, who definitely requires one of those guys in trade.
Due to the 5th worst record, we should be in a good position as far as claiming waived guys and for the Rule 5 draft. BillMo is probably licking his chops.
Cleveland claimed Giolito at the end of August. Does that give them an exclusive bargaining window after the WS? Not that he would necessarily sign, but if Cleveland was planning to take a run at him this winter, would there be an advantage to having that head start?
The answer to your last question is to go back and see how many big free agents re-sign with the same club during that short window. Without looking it up, my guess is less than 1%. The player-team already had an exclusive negotiating window yesterday and still have it today and every day until free agency arrives. That final window is sorta like last call just before the bar closes.
These players have waited for years to test free agency and aren’t likely to pass on it at the last moment. “There is always going to be a better offer…”, says the agent.
Mo said he need three new starters. But I don’t think he said he would get all three from the outside. He could find one form another team and use Hudson and Thompson as the other two with Rom in the wings.
Some media types like to support their position by throwing in a lot of stats and Our Bernie is known for that. But what if you sneak in some manipulation of the stats, maybe to get them to say what you want. Are these two excerpts from Bernie’s article on pitcher report cards an example of that? Measuring two guys performance against two different yardsticks.
Mikolas had a 4.78 ERA that ranked 48th among 56 major-league starters who pitched at least 150 innings
Montgomery’s overall 3.42 ERA was 10th best among NL starters that compiled at least 120 innings.
Right now Montgomery’s shooting 7’s and drawing to aces. I wouldn’t mind seeing him make a Bumgarner or Schilling sort of run during this year’s post-season. If he does, he’ll be able to spring for a nice dinner when he receives the payoff.
Nathan I think a more realistic worry is he didn’t say anything about quality. My thinking is some are badly overestimating what he will be acquiring.
Bling, what’s more telling:
Being 10th in a larger pool, or
Being 48th in a smaller pool?He is illustrating Montgomery’s had a pretty good year.
Forsch31, I’m not disputing anything. If there is an above the board reason for different measuring sticks I would be interested in what it is.
If Mikolas is any better than our number 4 or 5 SP next season either we are in big trouble or he is having a career year…
Bling, maybe you should get ahold of Bernie and tell him what those standardized stats should be.
Mikolas’ ERA was 83rd of 102 MLB pitchers with 120 IP. (If I did my search correctly)
I’m sure nobody has to explain anything that elementary to Bernie. And thanks for taking up the slack for him. Just today on another thread i noted where Bob had included certain catcher splits which supported his point but left out another that refuted it. You have to be wary of the stats. You can make it say whatever you want.
I should clarify that I do not think anyone is being disingenuous, but getting the answer you want from stats seems to be part and parcel of looking to it for answers. I wonder how prevalent that very thing is within the Cardinals org, and others, that are convinced they’ve discovered the holy grail. Maybe BDW will one day understand that he has a handful of magic beans.
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