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September 12, 2019 at 3:02 pm #105994
7. Nunez
8. Torres
9. Fernandez
10. OviedoSeptember 12, 2019 at 3:05 pm #1059967. Thompson – Should move fast. Has potential for being a frontline starter.
8. Williams – If he hits next year like he did at the end of 2019, he will force his way to St. Louis.
9. Adolis Garcia – He was on a year for the last month of the season. Cut down on his strikeouts, too. Garcia has massive power and a cannon for an arm. He’s a bit old for a prospect but he’s only been in the system a couple of years. If he can cut down on his strikeouts some more, he will have an MLB career.
10. RondonSeptember 12, 2019 at 4:29 pm #106009PadsFS
Participant#7 – Justin Williams, OF
#8 – Angel Rondon, RHP
#9 – Jake Woodford, RHP
#10 – Zack Thompson, LHP
September 12, 2019 at 5:17 pm #1060167. Jake Woodford
8. Malcom Nunez
9. Zack Thompson
10. Jhon TorresSeptember 12, 2019 at 7:02 pm #1060247. Genesis Cabrera – Tommy Pham trade doesn’t look as lopsided when Cabrera and Williams are performing.
8. Zack Thompson – Another lefty. I see his ceiling as mid-rotation maybe #2 starter if everything falls into place. 4 solid pitches and can command them. Great risk-reward pick for the Cards in a pitcher heavy draft.
9. Junior Fernandez – I’ve been a big fan and now that he’s back to healthy, the FB is dangerous again. Definitely has closer upside. I’m usually less inclined to think of reliever as top-10 prospects, but Mudville makes a good point about the importance of bullpens in today’s game, particularly a lock down closer, which I think is his ceiling.
10. Jhon Torres – Struggled at Peoria (4 years younger than the league average), but turned it on to the tune of a 149 wRC+ in Johnson City (still roughly 1.5 years below league average age). He has the ability to be a middle of the order thumper with good plate discipline. Lots to be excited about, but trying to temper it some because he is so far away. Probably a repeat trip to Peoria on his horizon this year.September 12, 2019 at 7:20 pm #106025Lee
Participant7 – Woodford
8 – Williams
9 – NunezSeptember 12, 2019 at 7:28 pm #1060267. Justin Williams
8. Angel Rondon – Has been a fast riser with excellent performance at every level. Across all levels, his cFIP is 101 (average) and DRA- (Deserved Run Average) is 84 (16% better than average). He was the seventh youngest pitcher with 100 IP in AA. It would be nice if he decreased the walks a little, but he still posted a solid 14.6% K-BB% in Springfield.
9. Jake Woodford – I’m not the biggest fan of Woodford, but there might be something here. I don’t like his career-high 11.7% BB%. On the positive side, his K’s jumped to a career-high (but only average) 20.4%. While his 106 cFIP in 2019 was average, his 69.5 DRA- puts him at 30% better than average. This surprised me. Add to that, he was the third youngest pitcher in AAA with 100 IP. So, yeah… there might be something here, but for me this ranking is still blind faith.
10. Junior Fernandez – Even with a discount to his performance for being a bullpen arm, he still stands out. Between Springfield and Memphis this year, his cFIP was 80 and DRA- was 58 — both near elite. This also considers his ability to throw multiple innings (he recorded 4 outs or more in 44% or 20 of his 45 MiLB appearances this year; 35% were 2 IP or more) and his youth (he was among the youngest pitchers with 20 IP in AAA this year). He’s not a typical RP prospect.
September 12, 2019 at 9:12 pm #1060337 Ponce Deleon
8 Thompson
9 Thomas
10 Sosa- Sosa was the three hole hitter and best player on some talented low level teams. If we didn’t have DeJong, he would be so much more exciting. Edman never passed Sosa in organizational prioritization. This season was the realization of his great potential. His game has improved way beyond his home run total.September 12, 2019 at 9:48 pm #1060377. Alexander “The Great”
8. Woodford
9. Nunez
10. Genesis Cabrera……reminds me of an unbelievably fantastic Genesis tune, that if you’ve never heard it, do yourself a favor and do so now…. “Abacab” by Genesis.September 12, 2019 at 10:45 pm #1060387. Woodford
8. Thompson
9. Cabrera
10. NunezSeptember 12, 2019 at 10:50 pm #106039Thompson
Torres
Cabrera
NunezSeptember 13, 2019 at 12:50 am #1060407. Nunez
8. Thompson
9. Trejyn Fletcher
10. Justin WilliamsSeptember 13, 2019 at 7:41 am #10604314NyquisT
ParticipantBOB- we are now using groups of four in the rounds…. add #10
NigelT- PonceDeLeon Sosa and Thomas are not eligible…. need #8 – #9 – #10 replacements.
September 13, 2019 at 8:03 am #1060447) Angel Rondon – As a 21 year old and across 1/3 of his season at A+ and 2/3 in AA, his overall stat line was 2.93 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 159K’s in 160 IP, 28 starts. Those numbers are better if not much better than some of the top ranked starters in the minors.
8) Zach Thompson – He has a very small sample size as a pro, so I’m not taking that into account at all. The Cardinals lack of quality LH SP’s might subconsciously make him ranked higher in my mind than he should be. But, recent first round pick, solid numbers in college this year and it seems he has a very good FB and slider, so you’d have to believe the worst case scenario would appear to be a very good lefty out of the pen.
9) Jhon Torrres – One of the highest ceiling bats in the system. He wasn’t ready for Peoria, but did quite well in JC. The power projection is there, over 600 AB’s he would have been on pace for 32 HRs and 80 extra base hits, but the stat that stands out is the .391 OBP, a great sign for a 19 year old. He’s listed at 6’4″ and 199, so he’s likely to fill out and increase the HR potential over the next few years.
10) Junior Fernandez – There are at least 5 solid options here, but Fernandez is already proving himself and has more than held his own in MLB. At this point his ceiling is that of an all-star caliber closer and his floor is a solid middle innings guy that can go several innings. He’s been in the organization and on these lists for several years now, so it might be easy to forget that he’s only 22. He had a strikeout rate of 11.1/9 in the minors and over 12/9 so far for the Cardinals.
September 13, 2019 at 8:19 am #10604814NyquisT
ParticipantCFIC…. some good points, also Grenadier and Jeske. We appreciate your commentary.
September 13, 2019 at 8:51 am #1060517. Thompson
8. Cabrera – Finished strong at Memphis and was impressive in his outing after call-up. Looked a lot more stable with his delivery. Lot of heat and excellent curve. Could be our Hudson in 2020.
9. Torres – Thought he was adjusting to Peoria when the Cardinals sent him to Johnson City. Looks like a guy with a lot of tools.
10. Rondon – Don’t know what his stuff is like. Only saw him briefly at Springfield. But getting there at his age and doing well is enough for me.September 13, 2019 at 9:05 am #106059I am not a prospect list-maker, as I do not follow these guys close enough to know. But I love reading the bio’s on here and learning about the guys coming through the system.
I will say that what I have seen from Fernandez in his brief trials at the big league level are impressive. Not necessarily from a results standpoint, but more from watching him throw and his ability. Guy has a big-time arm and great stuff. The ideal relief pitcher prospect. He has the look of a future closer, but could end up being an Adam Ottavino type that is more of a late inning non-closer, who will occasionally shut the door.
Good to see people impressed with Williams. I liked his potential when we got him, even though I did not like the Pham trade on the whole. But Cabrera has electric stuff, and the fact that he is left-handed is a bonus. And now if Williams can make a contribution, then we are looking good on that deal. And especially if Ozuna walks, Williams could factor in to a spot on the 2020 big league roster.
And in closing, “Abacab” is a great song. Good call, Pugs!
September 13, 2019 at 10:58 am #1060637) Rondon
8) Cabrera
9) Woodford
10) GarciaSeptember 13, 2019 at 12:15 pm #106068OK I will try again. My inclination is to just copy CC’s vote, but I just am so inspired by Soler’s season that I have to include Adolis Garcia. I wonder if the two are friends. I hope Garcia can take note and spend the entire off season in the cage taking breaking balls off the plate.
If Garcia were to make those strides with pitch recognition, he would be the 2017 version of Ozuna we tried to trade for. No one else left has that ceiling.
7 Thompson
8 Garcia
9 Torres
10 NunezSeptember 13, 2019 at 5:12 pm #106095
stlcard25Participant7. Zach Thompson. He could be a fast riser in the system. He’s anything from a #5-#2 future starter depending how his command comes along.
8. Jake Woodford. The stats were better than they look at first blush. He was in the top 3 in the PCL in all the major pitching categories.
9. Junior Fernandez. He finally got things rolling and he could be a back end of the bullpen guy with his electric fastball and change with a developing cutter/slider.
10. Jhon Torres. Almost went with Nunez here, but he faded while Torres played pretty well at Johnson City. Williams also almost got a vote but I need to see a longer track record. Torres has got a ways to go but he could be a starting RF in the future.
September 14, 2019 at 11:24 am #106186John Nagowski is a player we have really undervalued. Ravelo is legit as a bench player, so Nagowski is blocked. Still, if you ever watch him play, he has that it factor. He is a super smooth left hander in this burly right hander’s body. This must account for the odd handedness factor.
He hits the ball hard, and a launch angle improvement could send him rocketing.September 14, 2019 at 12:21 pm #106194I have never undervalued Nogowski. I have written about him several times. You will see him and FaGalde pop up on my list eventually but they had to be a little lower because of age. Same with Adolis.
September 14, 2019 at 9:14 pm #106228After watching Junior Fernandez just mow down the Brewers…. he’s got to make the top 10. If he keeps the control in check, he’s going to be an extremely great late inning arm for multiple years at a bargain rate.
September 14, 2019 at 10:11 pm #106231#7 – Junior Fernandez
#8 – Angel Rondon
#9 – Zach Thompson
#10 – Jhon Torres
September 15, 2019 at 7:38 am #10623914NyquisT
ParticipantBecause the voting is close, we’ll wait a little longer for the last few participants to file in.
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