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  • #105720
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    CariocaCardinal
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    Make Knizer #3 for me

    #105721
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    Nigel T
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    I really hope it turns out, “Who would you rather have: Jim Thome or Lance Berkman?

    I will be hurt if it turns out: Russell Branyan vs Jerry Mumphrey (Although I did love me some Jerry Mumphrey when he first arrived on the scene.)

    Better yet Carlson and Gorman surpass any comparisons.

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    1. Carlson
    2. Gorman
    3. Kinzer

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    lrcardinal
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    1. Carlson
    2. Gorman
    3. Woodford
    4. Knizner
    5. J Fernandez

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    My top 3 were Gorman, Carlson and Rondon in the other thread. Rondon is being very undervalued when you take into account his age, level, and overall stats as a 21 year old! I can’t fully disagree with Montero, Thomas, Fernandez, Knizner etc at 3, but Rondon deserves some praise.

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    14NyquisT
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    Round 1 is closed out with Carlson #1 Gorman #2 and Knizner #3.

    Voting for round #2 will begin with numbers 4 through 6.

    Thank you all for participating.

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    4. Helsey – already a big asset to the MLB club

    5. Thompson – 23K to 4BB in his 15 innings of pro ball after 130K to 34BB in 90 innings and a 2.40 ERA playing in the very competitive SEC. Commands 4 pitches and has the chance to move through the minors quickly, already getting action at AA as a 21 year old

    6. Torres – long ways to go, but had success at JC as a 19 year old and has the frame to really fill out some power

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    4. Montero
    5. Thompson Cardinals first draft choice in 2019. Would have gone much higher without injury concerns.
    6. Arozarena .358 BA, 1.028 OPS at AAA.

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    desmetlax… Helsley is Off the prospect list. We’ll take Thompson #4 and Torres # 5. You’ll need to add a # 6. Thanks

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    4. Arozarena
    5. Nunez
    6. Montero

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    4. Ivan Herrera – Quietly on the same trajectory as Carlson and Gorman. Exceptional bat (.805 OPS was 9th best among players with same number of PAs in Midwest League) and plate discipline (.63 BB/K was 16th best among players with same number of PAs in Midwest League). At the same age, Herrera (291 PA: 136 wRC+, 138 DRC+) performed better than Carlson (451 PA: 101 wRC+, 98 DRC+) and Gorman (282 PA: 128 wRC+, 130 DRC+) in Peoria.

    5. Randy Arozarena – In the past, he showed flashes of greatness. This year, he showed what it looks like to put it all together: plate discipline, contact, power, speed, defense.

    6. Justin Williams – So, this one might need some explaining. Williams’ 2017 AA breakout (409 PA: 9% BB, 17% K, .189 ISO, .853 OPS, 145 wRC+, 147 DRC+) is nearly identical to Arozarena’s combined 2017-19 in AA (413 PA: 11% BB, 20% K, .189 ISO, .896 OPS, 152 wRC+, 148 DRC+). Williams did this in his age 21 season, while Arozarena was 22-24. This year at roughly the same age in AAA, Williams (105 PA: .281 ISO, 1.130 OPS, 171 wRC+, 161 DRC+) slightly edged Arozarena (283 PA: .236 ISO, 1.028 OPS, 151 wRC+, 154 DRC+), though in less than half the PAs.

    Williams’ past three years also look very similar to Tyler O’Neill at the same stage. AA: Williams (409 PA: .189 ISO, .853 OPS, 145 wRC+, 147 DRC+) and O’Neill (575 PA: .215 ISO, .882 OPS, 152 wRC+, 144 DRC+). They both followed up with near league average numbers in their first go at AAA. Both also bounced back in their second go at AAA: Williams (105 PA: 1.130 OPS, 171 wRC+, 161 DRC+) and O’Neill (273 PA: 1.078 OPS, 170 wRC+, 159 DRC+).

    Beyond the comparisons, Williams exhibited two exciting developments this year. First, he posted the highest walk rate of his career at 13.4%. Second, he decreased his groundball percentage from his average of 55-60% all the way down to 42%. It’s not a surprise then, that he put up the highest ISO of his career.

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    4) Angel Rondon – As a 21 year old and across 1/3 of his season at A+ and 2/3 in AA, his overall stat line was 2.93 ERA, 1.15 WHIP, 159K’s in 160 IP, 28 starts. Those numbers are better if not much better than some of the top ranked starters in the minors.

    5) Ivan Herrera – 19 year old already catching in A+. I’ve read at least twice that his glove is, at a minimum, passable and improving. On top of that he slashed .284/.374/.405 with 9 HR’s.

    As a comparison, Carson Kelly at 19 was in Peoria and slashed .248/.326/.366. Another comparison, across the same two levels at 19, a current prospect had a slash line of .246/.348/.390, that would be Dylan Carlson. I don’t think it’s realistic to expect his bat to come alive that much, but none the less, he could be in the top 1-2 a year from now. The bat will play if the glove is there.

    6) Zach Thompson – He has a very small sample size as a pro, so I’m not taking that into account at all. The Cardinals lack of quality LH SP’s might subconsciously make him ranked higher in my mind than he should be. But, recent first round pick, solid numbers in college this year and it seems he has a very good FB and slider, so you’d have to believe the worst case scenario would appear to be a very good lefty out of the pen.

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    4. Randy Arrozarena – OF, 24 yr old in AAA/MLB (.358/.435/.593/1.028 ~ AAA)

    5. Justin Williams – OF, 24 yr old in AAA (.353/.437/.608/1.045 ~ AAA)

    6. Ivan Herrera – CA, 19 in A+

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    I like Rondon a lot too, but these AAA OFers are really special.

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    1)Helsley
    2)Carlson
    3)Woodford
    I know 3 may see a bit high for Woodford, but he made great strides this past
    year, and if he repeats this, he will be competing for a spot on the 25 man.

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    4. Arozarena

    5. Williams

    6. Herrera

    I would have gone Thomas and Helsley 4th and 5th. Thomas has had 38 major league at bats and is not eligible. Knizner has had 47 major league at bats and is prospect #3 (and deservedly so) Go figure.

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    Sorry, just saw 1-3 was closed…just getting caught up.
    4)Woodford
    5)Arrozarena
    6)Helsley

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    Looks like I forgot to add Williams’ last few games this year to my spreadsheet. Please see corrected lines below:

    This year at roughly the same age in AAA, Williams (105 PA: .281 ISO, 1.130 OPS, 171 wRC+, 161 DRC+) slightly edged Arozarena (283 PA: .236 ISO, 1.028 OPS, 151 wRC+, 154 DRC+), though in less than half the PAs.

    Corrected stats in bold: This year at roughly the same age in AAA, Williams (119 PA: .255 ISO, 1.045 OPS, 152 wRC+, 146 DRC+) slightly edged Arozarena (283 PA: .236 ISO, 1.028 OPS, 151 wRC+, 154 DRC+), though in less than half the PAs.

    Both also bounced back in their second go at AAA: Williams (105 PA: 1.130 OPS, 171 wRC+, 161 DRC+) and O’Neill (273 PA: 1.078 OPS, 170 wRC+, 159 DRC+).

    Corrected stats in bold: Both also bounced back in their second go at AAA: Williams (119 PA: 1.045 OPS, 152 wRC+, 146 DRC+) and O’Neill (273 PA: 1.078 OPS, 170 wRC+, 159 DRC+).

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    Montero
    Arozarena
    Herrera

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    UncleDenny
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    Herrera
    Arozarena
    Rondon

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    UncleDenny
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    Herrera
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    Rondon

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    4. Elehuris Montero. He will be back with a vengeance in 2020.

    5. Randy Arozarena. He’s a Tommy Pham lite through the minors. If he’s able to keep his chin up, he could be a starter in LF for several years.

    6. Ivan Herrera. If Montero isn’t the best pure hitter in the system, this guy may be. He’s done nothing but hit well. His defense might be a question mark now but if he can stick at catcher, watch out. He will get some more attention next year nationally, I feel.

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    4 Arozarena
    5 Montero
    6 Herrera

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    #4 – Junior Fernandez

    #5 – Angel Rondon. Great ERA for each of the last 3 years. Averages nearly 6 IP/start. Will be 22 in December and appears ready for AAA in 2020. I am hoping he could be another Flaherty.

    #6 – Randy Arozarena. I look at his numbers and wonder why he isn’t being given a long look at St. Louis. He hit well, has good defense, improved power numbers and is a contact hitter with speed.

    This is definitely a tough year to rank.

    #105773
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    Dang I missed out on the first three votes. This is what I get for not checking her for several days.

    4. Montero
    5. Arozarena
    6. Woodford

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