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    14NyquisT
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    We will be starting the 2020 Community voting for our top 50 prospects. Since we are a bit behind in scheduling to have the poll finished in timely manner, I will begin taking selections 1-3 first. The next round will be for 4-6 and round 3 will be for nos. 7-10. After those 3 rounds we will be adding rounds of 5 selections each. We would appreciate anyone joining the polling to continue on through the process. Any selection should remain on your list until that player is selected. So let’s get going. As in the past I will keep track of the selections here at the beginning of this topic as voting progresses. I’ll keep the voting tally updated here.

    This is last years list:
    X= longer eligible.
    #1 – X Alex Reyes, RHP
    #2 – X Dakota Hudson, RHP
    #3 – X Tyler O’Neill, OF
    #4 – Nolan Gorman, 3B
    #5 – Elehuris Montero, 3B
    #6 – Andrew Knizner, CA
    #7 – X Carson Kelly, CA
    #8 – Malcolm Nunez, 3B
    #9 – Ryan Helsley, RHP
    #10 – Daniel Poncedeleon, RHP
    #11 – Dylan Carlson, OF
    #12 – Lane Thomas, OF
    #13 – Randy Arozarena, OF
    #14 – Griffin Roberts, RHP
    #15 – Genesis Cabrera, LHP
    #16 – Adolis Garcia, OF
    #17 – Luken Baker, 1B
    #18 – Evan Kruczynski, LHP
    #19 – X Tommy Edman, SS
    #20 – Jake Woodford, RHP
    #21 – Evan Mendoza, 3B
    #22 – X Andy Young, 2B
    #23 – Ivan Herrera, CA
    #24 – Justin Williams, OF
    #25 – Max Schrock, 2B
    #26 – Edmundo Sosa, SS
    #27 – Jhon Torres, OF
    #28 – Seth Elledge, RHP
    #29 – X Patrick Wisdom, 3B
    #30 – Ramon Urias, 2B
    #31 – Conner Capel, OF
    #32 – Steven Gingery, RHP
    #33 – Leandro Cedeno, 1B/OF
    #34 – Johan Oviedo, RHP
    #35 – X Conner Greene, RHP
    #36 – X Giovanny Gallegos, RHP
    #37 – Delvin Perez, SS
    #38 – Junior Fernandez, RHP
    #39 – Jake Walsh, RHP
    #40 – Alex Fagalde, RHP
    #41 – Scott Hurst, CF
    #42 – Joerlin De Los Santos, CF
    #43 – Alvaro Seijas, RHP
    #44 – Connor Jones, RHP
    #45 – Dennis Ortega, CA
    #46 – Julio Rodriguez, CA
    #47 – Casey Meisner, RHP
    #48 – Mateo Gil, SS
    #49 – Chase Pinder, CF
    #50 – Will Latcham, RHP
    #51 – Derian Gonzalez, RHP
    #52 – Jonatan Machado, CF
    #53 – Victor Garcia, RF
    #54 – Jake Dahlberg, LHP
    #55 – Chris Ellis, RHP
    #56 – Angel Rondon, RHP
    #57 – Yariel Gonzalez, IF
    #58 – X Jeremy Martinez, CA
    #59 – Carlos Soler, CF
    #60 – Ludwin Jimenez, RHP
    #61 – Nick Dunn, 2B
    #62 – Zach Jackson, CA
    #63 – Juan Yepez, 1B
    #64 – Justin Toerner, OF
    #65 – Julio Puello, RHP
    #66 – Carlos Soto, CA
    #67 – Krmaer Roberston, SS
    #68 – Anythony Shew, RHP
    #69 – John Nogowski, 1B
    #70 – Bryce Denton, RF
    #71 – Austin Warner, LHP
    #72 – Brian Dobzanski, RHP
    #73 – Zach Prendergast, RHP
    #74 – Wadye Ynfante, OF
    #75 – Ramon Mendoza, 2B/3B
    #76 – Adanson Cruz, OF
    #77 – Jesus Cruz, RHP
    #78 – Roel Ramirez, RHP
    #79 – Andrew Morales, RHP
    #80 – Andrew Warner, OF
    #81 – Jacob Schlesener, LHP
    #82 – Brady Whalen, 1B
    #83 – Terry Fuller, OF
    #84 – Irving Lopez, 2B
    #85 – X Wood Myers, IF
    #86 – X Kevin Woodall, OF/1B
    #87 – Stan Espinal, 1B/3B
    #88 – X Mike O’Reilly, RHP
    #89 – Jean Selmo, OF
    #90 – Ian Oxnevad, LHP
    #91 – Connor Coward, RHP
    #92 – Donovan Williams, 2B
    #93 – Edwin Figuera, IF
    #94 – Brandon Riley, OF
    #95 – Hector Mendoza, RHP
    #96 – X Steven Trosclair, 1B
    #97 – Perry DellaValle, RHP
    #98 – Jacob Patterson, LHP
    #99 – Johan Mieses, OF
    #100 – X Matt Pearce, RHP

    2020 Current results

    #1. DYLAN CARLSON
    #2. NOLAN GORMAN
    #3. ANDREW KNIZNER
    #4. RANDY AROZARENA
    #5. ELEHURIS MONTERO
    #6. IVAN HERRERA
    #7. ZACK THOMPSON
    #8. JAKE WOODFORD
    #9. ANGEL RONDON
    #10. MALCOLM NUNEZ
    #11. JHON TORRES
    #12. JUNIOR FERNANDEZ
    #13. GENESIS CABRERA
    #14. JUSTIN WILLIAMS

    • This topic was modified 2 days ago by Avatar 14NyquisT.
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    #105582
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    gscottar
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    1. Carlson
    2. Gorman
    3. Knizer

    #105588
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    Cardinals27
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    Not that it matters much, but Woodall is still eligible. I believe he homered in one at bat this year, and then injured and out for the year.

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    1. Carlson
    2. Gorman
    3. Montero

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    Michael Dusablon
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    1.Carlson
    2.Gorman
    3.Helsley

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    grenadier1
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    Nyquist thanks for taking this on. This is my favorite part of this site and I thank Brian for giving the readers of this site the opportunity to vote and share their insight. I look forward to reading everyone’s reasoning and opinions. For the above list I believe #47 Casey Meisner has moved on as well.

    • This reply was modified 1 week, 4 days ago by Avatar grenadier1.
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    1. Dylan Carlson – Made all the prophets pointing towards a break out year look like geniuses to the tune of a AA wRC+ of 142 on his way to TX League player of the year (if you’re wondering his wRC+ in roughly 80 PAs in AAA was 161). I will be interested to see his performance in the AFL.
    2. Nolan Gorman – I really wanted to keep him in my number 1 spot, but the MVP for Carlson pushed him over in my calculations. Their stats are much closer than you would think. Just a sample of OPS/wRC+/ISO/Age for league:
    Peoria: Carlson .689/101/.107/-3.3 Gorman: .792/128/.207/-2.2
    Palm Beach: .731/112/.138/-3.4 Gorman: .732/117/.172/-3.3
    Obviously they do it in different ways (Gorman’s power vs. Carlson’s all around approach) but their numbers are strikingly similar in A ball. All in all, I hope to see Gorman and the “new juiced ball” in Springfield next year.
    3. Andrew Knizner – Starting to figure it out at the MLB level even with up and down time this year effecting his overall numbers. Not sure what the Cardinals will do with Yadier in front and Ivan Herrera continuing to improve behind him. Not a next year problem yet I don’t think, but something to watch for sure.

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    SoonerinNC
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    1 Carlson
    2 Gorman
    3 Lane Thomas

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    858booyah
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    Yeah isn’t Lane Thomas still eligible?

    I agree with Sooners top 3 if Thomas is considered. I like him!

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    Wiley
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    1. Carlson
    2. Gorman
    3. Arozarena

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    forsch31
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    I hate multiple voting for the first 10 picks. There is so much to consider and talk about for these picks that are supposed to be the elite prospects in our system.

    This year is going to be very difficult to place prospects in order. We have many players with higher ceilings and some that have really stepped up.

    My first 3:

    #1 – Gorman. His potential at a premium position ending at high A while barely only 19 years old, gave him the edge. My concern is how much he strikes out although he does very well when there are runners on base.

    #2 – Carlson. I almost went with Carlson for the top since he has performed so well this year. However, this is the first year he has performed like this. He has 3 full years and another 1/2 year but he is only going to be 21 in about a month.

    #3 – Junior Fernandez. This will be a somewhat surprising placement considering he is a reliever. However, I think he is perfectly suited to be a closer and he has excelled in the position this year. I believe he should open the 2020 season as the major league closer for the Cardinals.

    The next few picks will also be hard. I really need to hear some information on our 2019 draft picks and how they should be placed. We also have some interesting players to decide on: Rondon, Oviedo, Cabrera in the starting pitchers. Knizner, Herrera, Rodriguez in the catchers. Arozarena, Torres, Williams in the outfielders. I have concerns about Montero, Nunez, Urias and Gil.

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    Christopher Jeske
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    I voted in the other thread (1. Carlson, 2. Gorman, 3. Herrera). I wanted to comment here as this has the list of eligible players. Specifically, I was surprised to see votes for Helsley and Thomas.

    I believe Helsley, Poncedeleon, and Thomas have all “graduated.”

    All three are removed from the mlb.com team prospect rankings page. Thomas is the only of the three still on fangraphs’ the board page, but I think he “graduated” since that was last updated.

    I don’t have an issue including them in the vote here, I’m just not sure they will be on many other 2020 prospect lists.

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    Christopher Jeske, last year it was determined that since it is hard to track the accumulated more than 45 days on the active roster piece that the 130 AB/50 Inning requirement would be the standard in this forum. I assume it is the same this year. I’m sure nyquist or Brian can provide more information.

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    14NyquisT
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    TCN’s top-50 list as of 8-16-19 included Helsley and Thomas. As of 8-17-19 both Helsley and Thomas were on MLB’s top-30, since then MLB has taken them off. So we’ll go with that and change the eligibility list.

    Cards-27 – GScott – Carioca – Michael D. – 858 – Sooner can change their selections accordingly.

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    Cardinals27
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    3 Montero I think he’ll flourish in 2020 and the AFL

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    CariocaCardinal
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    I can live with either way. But for some history, when we started doing are rankings BA was by far and away the standard and there were actually few other sites doing seriius rankings. At the time (and I believe to this date) BA was not using service time – only the 50/130 standard.

    As a personal argument I will say these are prospect rankings, not prospective rookie rankings. Just because MLB uses service time for rookie of the year eligibility. What does that have to do with being a prospect? A prospect is someone who has yet to prove what he can do. How does sitting on the bench for 45 days allow someone to show what they can do? You can argue that 50/130 isn’ t enough to show anything either but it at least allows something.

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    CariocaCardinal
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    Nyquis, can you get with Brian and put an end to these duel threads!?!

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    Nigel T
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    1 Gorman
    2 Carlson
    3 Knizner

    #105689
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    14NyquisT
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    1. Carlson
    2. Gorman
    3. Knizner

    #105690
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    14NyquisT
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    This is now the one thread to vote on.

    I have the following votes:
    Cardinals27
    Flood21
    GScottar
    Mudville
    Michael Dusablon
    Grenadier1
    SoonerNC
    858Booyah
    Wiley
    Forsch31
    ChristopherJeske
    Nigel T
    Cards25
    PugsleyAddams
    CariocaCardinal
    Desmenex
    CardFaninChi
    Uncle D
    14Nyquist

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    Cardinals27
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    I agree with CC that for our purposes it should be 50 innings/ 130 at bats. Thomas barely got off the bench and usually for late inning defensive replacement. Perhaps next year we can reconsider this? But Nyquist, you are the one doing the work, and I appreciate your time.

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    Nyquis, I am confused. In one post you are telling me I need to redo my vote. In another post you are saying you have my vote. Please clarify.

    #105709
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    CC… to clarify, your choices were #1 Gorman – #2 Carlson & #3 Helsley. Helsley & Thomas not eligible so we need a different #3 selection. Others requiring a different # 3 pick are Sooner- GScott- Dusablon & 858Booyah.

    Thank you sir.

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    1 Carlson
    2 Gorman
    3 Arozarena

    third time a charm

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