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If the Cardinals trade both Arenado and Donovan, then they must be thinking that Wetherholt is ready to take over third base.
I heard Boston is looking for high end starting pitching and possibly a shortstop.
I don’t know about them needing a shortstop (Trevor Story is there), but they need a 3B since Bregman left.
I can see them trading for Donovan.
I’d like the Cardinals to trade Donovan for Wilyer Abreu. Abreu takes over RF (the Cardinals weakest position). He’s put up over 3 WAR each of the last two seasons. So, that’s almost a 5 WAR upgrade over Jordan Walker. Abreu is under control through 2029.
If the Cardinals are really intent on throwing in the flag on 2026 before the season starts, I would want a prospect package including Kyson Witherspoon (RHP) and Marcus Phillips (RHP).
If the Cardinals trade both Arenado and Donovan, then they must be thinking that Wetherholt is ready to take over third base.
They are going to be lucky to trade Arenado.
You only trade Donovan if you like the package coming back.
Regarding the discussion around third base above, I want to point out that when Gorman was getting regular at bats and regular playing time at third base he was a lot better than that capacity versus coming off the bench and getting spot starts. If they can get a proper package for Donovan and hopefully just be able to pay as little as possible eating Arenado’s deal, I’m more than ok with Gorman as the starting 3B.
Still on the Donovan for Edward Cabrera bandwagon….
We know Bill would drop Arenado like a hot rock, but a glove first third baseman is a tough sell in a corner bat market. It would have to be an attractive offer for the acquiring club.
It’s up to Bill too loosen up his terms at trading, by being more willing to buy out more of Nado’s $ commitment, and/or bundle Nado with a JoJo type. The opportunity is there for Bill to advance the rebuild using cash, and that should buy better players in trade returns. Clearing the runway at 3B would be a step forward.
Gray, JoJo and Donovan qualify as “short term sacrifices” this winter.
If Wetherholt can handle 3B, I could see Donovan being traded for the right deal. Saggese could handle 2B as well as Gorman and with a lot less strikeouts. $5.4 M seems almost cheap to me which raises his trade value.
If the Cardinals trade both Arenado and Donovan, then they must be thinking that Wetherholt is ready to take over third base.
I think Gorman would take over at 3B and JJ would be at 2B.
Royals, Guardians Among Teams Interested In Brendan Donovan https://t.co/U4VMVszf4o pic.twitter.com/dVQojjLirL
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) November 13, 2025
#STLCards POBO Chaim Bloom on trade interest in Sonny Gray, who prefers pitching for a contender in 2026: “We’ve definitely been listening on him. … With where we are and thinking long term, we all feel like there might be something that makes sense.” https://t.co/pbIjp6hNao
— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) November 13, 2025
Thoughts on selling high on Jojo for a solid prospect, and then sign another lefty or two as reclimation projects? If the Cards suck…. New guys could be flipped at the deadline if they are pitching decent. (See Maton) as a perfect example minus handedness.
Just depends if they plan to just be awful or try to be pretenders at the least.
Thoughts on selling high on Jojo for a solid prospect
I don’t think the Cardinals are going to trade a reliever before the season.
If the Cards suck…. New guys could be flipped at the deadline if they are pitching decent.
I do think if you are a rebuilding team, you should be loading up on guys one one year deals that you can flip at the deadline for prospects. I would be doing this in the outfield and starting pitching rotation this year.
Bloom reportedly wants to see who he can trade away before going after free agents, so he knows how much of a budget he has to work with.
Trading back for controllable pitching with any of our trade assets should remain the priority.
Counting on FA funds from Bill has a recent failure rate too weak to game plan around. Acquiring low hanging fruit before ST has a chance, depending on how CB does this winter at improving our core pitching depth.
We need Libby types, not Fedde band-aids we may need to DFA.
It is time for the Cardinals to once again adopt the policy of trading a player a year too early rather than a year too late like they have been over the last 5-10 years.
It is also time to build a strong starting pitching rotation.
According to Sporttrac Arenado is only owed $16m (in cash) in 2026 and 15M in 2027. I typically just go straight to Cots contracts, but looked at them for clarity. He is still owed two or 3 million to the end of his pay checks which is his age 50. TVM comes into play there,(rule of 7, Google it) I’d have to assume he could find a 2yr/31m deal on the open market, it doesn’t explain the money the Rockies have to throw in for 2026……
Boston seems like to perfect of a fit IF Boston doesn’t get Bergman back. Also for Gray and Jojo.
Just throwing out there that Boston could kill 3 birds with two solid prospects coming back. Then Cards sign Giolito for 3/48 and TEAM option for 2029.
Donny for a Cabrera or Sea SP and the Cards might not suck…..Yeah different outlets have Arenado’s contract listed differently based on how they account for the deferments. Cot’s has him owed $19.3M in 2026 and $15M in 2027. Of that $34.3M owed I think the Cardinals would have to pay at least $20M to move him.
Yeah, my recollection is Arenado is $19 million this year and $15 next.
The Cardinals tried offering $10 million per season last year, and were unable to move him.
It seems like teams would either have, or could find, a UT or 4A who could give them a pretty good glove at 3B and hit some singles. NA in his age 35 season will probably be incrementally better than that, but how much is that increment worth? There is no future in trading for NA, it is just about now, so who is going to pay for that increment?
Regarding Arenado’s contract…. Assuming he can produce 2.5 WAR in 2026-2027 @ 9M/WAR that would be $22.5. If the Cards structure it so the new team is only paying that for two years.
From a business perspective, try to get most of the 2027 salary in there in case they do go into a strike.
I don’t see any trade happening for Arenado until Bregman and Suarez are signed and Donnie has a new team.
I personally will not be upset if all that Arenado and Gray bring back is something like draft picks in the competitive balance rounds and international spending cap money. That’s realistic and the best option to build “his organization”.
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