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I get the idea that there is so much unproven about our starting pitching. I’m generally optimistic about things, so at this time of the year i have high hopes. I agree with AlbertTM. MCGreevy looks ready now. Matthews could be a difference maker before long. The same goes for Hence and Roby. Graceffo looks good for now. And then there’s Mikolas and Matz. Both are in the walk years of their contracts and, if they each want to pick up a few extra million dollars on their way out, they have to be much better than they have been. After that, there’s Helsley who looks like the pitcher he was last year.
Seems early for this kind of chatter.
Phillies, Diamondbacks Interested In Ryan Helsley https://t.co/roFhfLYH3R pic.twitter.com/tFZZqcxAEB
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) April 27, 2025
Is attendance better with him? Then take what you can get, while you can.
This is just trying to avoid 2023 w/l results, while risking injury and no trade return, on trade chips.
I think you could write an article for every contending team and say they have an interest in Ryan Helsley. Why wouldn’t they?
Unfortunately the prospect return for closers, especially rentals, is usually medicore. I am tempering my expectations.
I could maybe see trading Helsley for a high ceiling, lower level prospect, or two (A+ or AA). But, if no other team is up for doing that, then keep Helsley and let the fans enjoy the saves that he’s going to bring.
Helsley, Fedde, Matz, Maton and Mikolas need to be moved before an injury.
Arenado, Contreras and Gray if they waive the NTC.Helsley, Marin and Fedde should bring something decent back and the others should be “break even”.
Libby, Pallante and McGreevy are very cheap SP locks in my opinion, spend the savings in FA and they could turn 2026 around.
Whatever is traded has to be replaced. A closer for example. A rotation will need five guys plus depth.
The Astros are down another starter for the year, namely Ronel Blanco. Maybe Fedde will be worth more now than he was a month ago.
The time has come for Gorman to move on to a better, everyday opportunistic situation.
– He doesn’t start for the Cardinals, and won’t with Donovan and by ‘27 JJ
– He is not going to get better with 1 start and 5-10 ABs per week
– 3.6 years of team control left
– Surely still has some trade value, especially to a lesser contending club
– Prieto I feel would be a much better bench/spot starterHe wouldn’t bring back what he would have a couple of years ago, but the experiment needs a change of scenery for all involved.
Are they still looking to move Arenado?
If there is 3B depth behind Gorman, ready to go, then they could look to move both I guess. With this FO, who knows?Gorman is going to go somewhere else and absolutely kill it too. He’s going to be one of those guys. I don’t see it ever happening here either. I would still keep him through next year just in case.
The time has come for Gorman to move on to a better, everyday opportunistic situation.
– He doesn’t start for the Cardinals, and won’t with Donovan and by ‘27 JJ
– He is not going to get better with 1 start and 5-10 ABs per week
– 3.6 years of team control left
– Surely still has some trade value, especially to a lesser contending club
– Prieto I feel would be a much better bench/spot starterHe wouldn’t bring back what he would have a couple of years ago, but the experiment needs a change of scenery for all involved.
I agree. Gorman is not going to get the playing time here that he needs to snap out of it. He needs to go to someone like the A’s or Rockies who can play him everyday.
I would probably choose Saggese over Prieto to replace him on the roster but that is debatable.
Are they still looking to move Arenado?
If there is 3B depth behind Gorman, ready to go, then they could look to move both I guess. With this FO, who knows?Good question. As long as we are in contention for a playoff spot I just can’t see us moving Arenado nor should we, but stranger things have happened I suppose. Last winter was a different dynamic because very few people saw us being in contention at this point in the year. Things change.
The flip side is Bill cashing out by trading Nado, regardless of the standings. The better money trail is trading his salary away. That’s many millions reclaimed even if Bill pays him down some.
I’d rather trade Nado than Gorman. Treat Gorman like we did Siani, sink or swim pal.
The flip side is Bill cashing out by trading Nado, regardless of the standings.
I very much appreciate the cynical take but I have a hard time believing he would do that.
Today the Cardinals sit in the final wild card spot. If they are still in that spot or better on July 15 then commence to gut the roster any remaining goodwill between the fanbase and ownership will be evaporated.
Gorman and Siani are a bit different. Both are LH and both can’t hit but Gorman still has a little bit of pedigree value remaining. Siani never had any. I would cash out on Gorman now before he hits Carlson value and we are forced to trade him for a box of cracker jacks.
GScott, Carlson is exactly who I was thinking about in my post about trading Gorman. While he has “some value” left, even if just pedigree alone.
In the past 15 months Bill has spent on Maton and… Maton signed for 2mil.
I would prefer realistic, instead of “cynical”, but as you said “things change”.
The return for Carlson was, “who do want to dump on us”, so it’s not like Gorman has more than change of scenery value to the other teams.
I want Bloom envolved this deadline, not Mo. Sell and let him start collecting what he can. Sorry, but I see pretending, not contending, with this roster.
“Prepare for the worst” should come before “hope for the best”, IMO.
If we have a KC budget in 26′, stocking new players from trades at the deadline will help. Take what you can get now.
Relying on Bill for FA signings next winter then becomes “hope for the best”.
I just don’t see our potential trade assets bringing back a ton in return. Stocking up on AAAA players helps a little with depth and saves a bit of money for two months but it doesn’t do much to alter our overall trajectory.
Take what you can. Less is not more. Whether by trading away, or allowing FA’s to walk away, we will have roster spots to fill. No-one knows the budget.
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Our team BAbip will back off, leaving us with middling slugging. We have Gray and Libby. Flash, Miles or Andre is a game #3 & 4 problem, that won’t get past the Mets, Dodgers, etc.Libby threw less than 100 IP last season, so there’s a doubt about him having a SP postseason in 25′.
Contending teams that have suffered with injury/injuries at certain positions will have a factor at the trade deadline. For this season I wouldn’t turn down any bonafide offer for any player that doesn’t fit into the plans for 2026.
ps…. don’t trade Wetherholt or Mathews. They have the potential to be key players for years to come.
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