Tagged: Cardinals Hall of Fame
April 12, 2019 at 2:03 pm #87072
hey Pugsley you just swiped my picks, get your own. ah just messing with ya.April 12, 2019 at 2:54 pm #87077
Last day today to vote!April 13, 2019 at 9:56 am #87118
I’m still not over the Wally Moon for Gino Cimoli trade.
Bill Virdon for Bobby Del Greco around that same time was another clunker. But Devine came in and got Curt Flood, which eased the pain.
And I still shudder thinking about Bobby Tolan for Vada Pinson. Did not care for letting Jose Cruz walk for chump change either.April 13, 2019 at 10:15 am #87119
As painful as some of the trades were, at least the team was winning in the 1960s. In the 70s, my feeling is the trades contributed to the down decade.April 13, 2019 at 10:32 am #87120
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Steve Carlton was traded for salary issues, wasn’t he?April 13, 2019 at 10:53 am #87122
Yes, a reported $10,000 disagreement with Gussie Busch.April 14, 2019 at 9:57 am #87298
What was so bizarre about the Carlton/Wise deal, is that the Cardinals gave Wise the same amount Carlton was asking for, which I believe was $65,000. And of course the Phillies gave Steve that amount as well.
So after Busch got sick of Carlton’s supposed feelings of disrespect, he gave Wise the same amount. I guess because Wise had been at odds with the Phillies rather than the Cardinals, Gussie was okay giving hike the money.April 14, 2019 at 10:26 am #87299
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Not sure if one man can make our lousy 70’s teams’ better, but Carlton would have pitched every fifth day, and not pitched against them. Wow, the Cards finished 1.5 games back in 1973 and 1974. Carlton would definitely have made a difference in those years at least.April 14, 2019 at 11:08 am #87311
IMO, that is the team’s worst trade ever, and it is not close – at least as bad for the Cards as Brock was good. Brock was a well-placed gamble on a high-potential player, while Carlton was already an established MLB starting pitcher – and left-handed, no less!April 14, 2019 at 12:45 pm #87327
The Cubs got Ernie Broglio and we got a hall of famer.
Then we got Rick Wise and the Phillies got a hall of famer.
I guess things evened out eventually.April 25, 2019 at 9:05 pm #88780April 26, 2019 at 6:31 pm #88856April 26, 2019 at 6:54 pm #88861
Keith Hernandez remains a polarizing candidate. Here is one view.
The fact that Jason Isringhausen got into the Cardinals HOF instead of Keith Hernandez is proof positive that fans should no longer vote for the HOF. Let the committee pick.
— Marilyn Green (@Marilyncolor) April 26, 2019April 26, 2019 at 6:54 pm #88862
Here is another. How do you see it, readers?
I'm not saying Keith Hernandez is not deserving to be enshrined into the Cardinals Hall of Fame, because he does belong. But the circumstances leading to him being traded and the words exchanged in the aftermath still rings in the ears of a lot of #STLCards fans.
— Augie Nash (@AugieNash) April 26, 2019April 26, 2019 at 6:56 pm #88863
Another fan is disappointed that the DeWitts again did not make an Owner’s selection. Again, thoughts?
I’d love to see Buzzy Wares, Butch Yatkeman, France Laux, Ernie Hayes, Mike Gonzalez, Helene Britton, Harry Caray among others go in. But I’d go with Dave Duncan because I believe in honoring those who are still…
— Sean McKillop (@seanmckillop) April 26, 2019
…alive first. We don’t want another Cooperstown Ron Santo situation. I wrote a letter to the Dewitt’s last year listing about 30 non-players I think deserve consideration. Got a nice letter back but too bad it didn’t make it happen again this year. I’ll forward you my letter.
— Sean McKillop (@seanmckillop) April 26, 2019April 26, 2019 at 7:14 pm #88866
Izzy said he hoped he and Scott Rolen would go into the #stlcards Hall together and join teammates Chris Carpenter and Jim Edmonds, noting it was a "special group".
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) April 27, 2019
Scott Rolen noted that he and Izzy both got a ring and both got into the Hall of Fame. Each mentioned the importance to them and their families. "St. Louis is in my heart," he said.
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) April 27, 2019April 26, 2019 at 9:16 pm #88887
well im glad mort cooper got in. totally deserving pick. id actually kinda forgot about him but you cant mention those 40s teams without him in the conversation. I didn’t vote for rolen this year mainly because I knew he would get in at a point so I went with older players. I tend to think guys from the nineties and before get overlooked most of time and will only be moreso going forward. I was never a big fan of isringhausen. seemed to blow as many games as he saved but oh well.April 27, 2019 at 10:56 am #88925
Neither of my voted players got in this year, Keith Hernandez and John Tudor. However, I can’t argue with Rolen, Izzy nor Cooper. Rolen is the second greatest third baseman in Cardinal history, and has a ring with the club. Izzy is the all-time saves leader, albeit “saves” is a stat that is derived from the way pitching staffs are utilized today. Cooper was the mainstay on the pitching staffs of the most successful run of clubs in Cardinal history. And his 1942 season is one of the greatest pitching seasons ever in team history, for the team widely considered the greatest Cardinal team ever.
As for non-playing personnel, I am baffled as to why Harry Caray has not been enshrined yet. He represented midwest baseball to fans all over the south, midwest and west for 25 years.
On the trade front and looking back, Wise was actually better than Carlton in ’73, so that season we likely would still have been a .500 club at best. But man, you look at those teams in the late ’70s and Carlton may have carried them over the hump, or at least kept them competitive with those good Pirate ball clubs.
The Cubs had real bad timing in getting Broglio. He had 6 and 7 WAR seasons as a Cardinal, and was one of the league’s better pitchers coming in to 1964. My thought is that had he come along later, he would have had Tommy John surgery and possibly been able to come back and be very good again. Devine had given the Cubs the choice of five pitchers in that deal. I regret not asking Bing at a SABR get-together one year, who the other four were. We sent Bobby Shantz in that deal, but I don’t think he was one of the five. My guess is they were Curt Simmons, Ray Washburn, maybe Ray Sadecki and perhaps Ron Taylor or Mike Cuellar.April 27, 2019 at 11:51 am #88929
I’m with Mike. I voted for Hernandez and Tudor. I don’t have a problem with Rolen as he was my third choice. Izzy getting in?? Meh.
May 22, 2019 at 4:11 pm #91449May 23, 2019 at 9:06 am #91499
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Well deserved on George Kissell. A generation of Cardinal players came through the organization under his mentor-ship. An icon in Cardinal lore, and one of the truly great unsung heroes in franchise history.
The franchise has had a few of those guys, going back to the likes of Mike Gonzales and Buzzy Wares, and on to Kissell and later Red Schoendienst (who did just about everything through his long career) and Jose Oquendo.July 18, 2019 at 3:40 pm #98425
I’ve wondered over the years how different Cardinals history (not to mention Yankees history) might have been had Torre come along five years later with the support of the DeWitt ownership group rather than the end of the brewery regime. He was not given much to work with here.
— St. Louis Cardinals (@Cardinals) July 18, 2019July 18, 2019 at 3:52 pm #98427
I have thought the same thing. The early to mid 90’s were dismal then Torre goes to New York and becomes a Yankee icon.
He was foreshadowing Luke Voit I guess. lol
July 18, 2019 at 4:19 pm #98434
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Getting even for Willie McGee, maybe…
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