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If you like Jack Clark, what about Orlando Cepeda who was also a Cardinal for a limited time but was MVP for an eventual World Series champion? Because Cha-Cha played two decades earlier than Clark and when many fewer games were televised, not as many people know of him.
Yeah, for me the 2023 vote was pretty much a no-brainer for the big lefty. He was easily the best player on the ballot, plus he had the highest Cardinal WAR of anyone listed.
Kind of thought the relatively recent heroics provided by Freese would be tough to beat, and it is the fan’s choice of who gets elected.
I don’t think it’s necessarily a recentcy bias. Anybody can vote of a certain age, I think 18. Lots of voting that never saw guys that played in 80s let alone before that.
People that are too young to have seen players of a certain era, therefore not give them the same consideration as players they saw with their own eyes, is the definition of recency bias.
The recency bias is why fans are only allowed to vote for Modern Era players. It is better that way.
Good interview with TLR about Oquendo, who was inducted today with Max Lanier.
Tony La Russa says new #STLCards Hall of Famer José Oquendo had quite an impact as a player and coach: "[He'd] be tied for the most brilliant baseball mind I've been around in all phases of the game. He loved to coach, a decision-maker, and he helped anybody. It's well deserved." pic.twitter.com/TW0UE3ji29
— Bally Sports Midwest (@BallySportsMW) August 20, 2023
Was Herzog at the stadium on Sunday for the hall of fame festivities? I didn’t see him in the picture or hear anything about him.
Rats – Herzog was on the field for the HOF weekend. IMO he looks better at 92 years old than LaRussa does at 78!
At 9 a.m. CT today, the Cards’ 2024 HOF ballot for fan voting will be announced. Our story will be available no later than 9:01!
As an aside, TLR was at our HOF meeting last month and looks much stronger. Whitey was unable to participate this year.
Fans to select one of four former #stlcards Modern Era greats for team Hall of Fame induction on September 7 with voting to begin Saturday, February 24. (free) https://t.co/fm8H1SV9Qn pic.twitter.com/Z17DYUnoLF
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) February 22, 2024
A tough call on this ballot as no one clearly stands out.
The two pitchers have very similar Cardinal stats. About the same number of innings pitched, similar WHIP, similar WAR. Carlton was probably a little bit better as a Cardinal, but Matt had the better W-L record. The big difference of course is Carlton is an all-time great, and Morris a good but not great player. If you factor in Steve’s overall career it is not close, but we are talking Cardinal careers here. Really can’t go wrong whichever way you vote between the two.
The two position players are the same way, other than neither are Hall of Fame worthy. Each played about the same number of games as Cardinals, each similar WAR numbers. Edgar played the more key defensive position, but Silent George had a bit higher WAR and was the one guy on those speed-and-defense teams that could give you the long ball.
Again, can’t really go wrong either way. My suggestion – unless you have a particular guy you really liked when he played, which is a great way to vote in this one, is to flip a coin twice. The first flip will determine whether you go pitcher or position player, and the second one will be which of those gets your vote.
All four can make a solid case but my preference in order would be:
Carlton
Hendrick
Morris
RenteriaThey were all good contributors for a medium length of time. Therefore, every one of them feels borderline to me. I’d be ok if any got in. I’d be ok if any got left out. But it is fun to see all the guys in red jackets so let’s just let them all in.
But if I had to pick my order, I’d go:
Hendricks
Morris
Renteria
Carlton (nothing against Carlton but he’s already in the MLB Hall and Phillies Hall so I’m not sure he’d participate even if he were elected).My approach as a committee member is to evaluate the candidates’ worthiness. Whether they would show up or not does not enter my thought process, though I understand fans have their individual criteria.
I voted for four names, the same ones that made the ballot.
In terms of multiple team Halls of Fame, Hernandez entered the Mets hall first. Eventually, enough Cardinals fans came around to voting him in here as well. I don’t think the other team detracted from his induction.
Carlton is tougher because he spent fewer years here than he did with the Phillies. But again, my focus was on his results while here, not external factors. I hope he gets in, but it may not be in 2024.
This year’s nominees include two former Redbird players who should also be members of the “Highly Intellectual HOF”…Both of them were smart enough to figure out that it’s almost always a wise practice to keep your mouth shut.
I loved Oscar Gambles’ hair and Charlie Spikes’ power, but Silent George patrolling center field made Cleveland my red team in the American league. Too bad they got rid of those deep red uniforms.
Carlton is not a real outgoing guy and who knows how active he would be in reunions. But he is quite personable when you get a chance to chat with him. He was a guest at a local SABR event some 10 years or more ago, and I had a great talk with him just one-on-one.
My favorite quote about Carlton though, is from a former minor league manager Charlie Metro. Charlie had a farm out here in the suburban area and I got to know him pretty well for awhile, again through the local SABR chapter. Charlie managed Steve on one of the best minor league teams in Cardinal history, the 1966 Tulsa Oilers.
The Cardinals played in the annual Hall of Fame game that year, back when there was an exhibition game between two big league teams at Doubleday Field as part of the Hall of Fame ceremonies. The Cardinals contacted Tulsa as they wanted Carlton to pitch that game, rather than use a guy on the big league roster. Charlie said he let Carlton know saying, “Hey Steve, they want you in Cooperstown.”
Carlton’s response, which looking back was quite appropriate, was simply, “Already?”. 🙂
It’s a hard call for me between morris and Hendricks. Hendricks was one of those I felt should t have been traded though Im pretty sure we got a good piece of or him. I e already voted for Morris before. Thing is if I think both deserve it I go with player who came before which would be George. Problem is while I liked both, George was a favorite of mine so I’m probably biased in his direction if I vote for who I think performed best for Cardinals I would probably have to go with Morris. He was a great horse at times. Tough choices.
I went ahead and cast my vote for the big lefty. As I mentioned before, any of the quartet is as deserving as any other, but Carlton is the one guy of the four that I have met and chatted with a little. I kind of feel a connection to him more than the others.
It’s funny about that big trade – Steve did not want to leave St. Louis and Rick Wise did not want to leave Philadelphia. Each just felt they were worth a little more than their management folks were offering. The clubs decided to swap problems and give the new guy what he wanted. I guess taking on a new disgruntled guy is easier on the human psyche than dealing with the old disgruntled guy again and again.
The announcement is Friday night at 7 p.m. on Bally Sports Midwest. I can’t tell you the three honorees, but I especially like one of them!
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