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“I have fond memories of Wyoming having lived for five years in Laramie in the 1980s.”
Cool Harmony! I went to UW in the ‘70s, before heading out to California for a couple of years. Ended up in Boulder, CO and finished my degree at CU, and went on and got an MBA while I was at it.
Would go back up to Laramie a lot in the ‘80s as I had buddies still there – I made it to a couple of Cowboys football games about every Fall during the ‘80s. Great times!!
mud, I hope that Saggese becomes an everyday player. If he does he could play 3B and we could trade both Gorman and Arenado.
Yes, it would be easier to trade Arenado by attaching Donovan but I think the Cardinals are really trying to beef up the farm system and the return for Donovan could be a big boost in that. Arenado should be a separate deal or they could just keep him and trade Gorman instead.
Moving Arenado will require sending money and talent. More money, less talent. Less money, more talent. Sending Donovan would be the less money, more talent approach. We don’t know what Our Bill will do, but he has already spent money moving Contreras and Gray and hiring a starter. That leads me to think he might want to send talent. Obviously, it has to be good talent. That presents the choice between good prospect talent or good MLB roster talent. I think the choice would be good MLB talent. Good MLB talent doesn’t mean spares that even a bad team like the Cardinals can do without. There are not very many choices on our roster, and it will depend upon what a trading partner wants and needs.
Pass on adding talent. My best case for Arenado is a handshake deal already in place w/the LAA. They take on 2/10mil and have a 2yr safety net of 350-ish PA’s at 3B, on a bench bat salary. Cut bait at their date, or ride it out.
I agree JJ. The Angels are a good spot for him. Pay the $20M-$25M to move him there and get a couple of lottery tickets in return.
Yes I know they aren’t a contender. Too bad. Nado can play for a last place team in STL or play for a last place time while sleeping in his own bed. His choice.
Bill has done a nice job of that already shipping out Gray and Contreras. He is going to have to do it again unless he wants number 28 standing near 3B on opening day.
Has there been any indication that anybody out there would actually want Gorman in a trade, even at black Friday prices?
Has there been any indication that anybody out there would actually want Gorman in a trade, even at black Friday prices?
Yes, the Pirates inquired about Gorman, which is probably one more team than has inquired about Arenado.
Bill spent the Arenado money long ago, it’s guaranteed. Bundling surplus field value w/Arenado may be necessary just to move him, but it only helps Bill reclaim more funds.
Clubs that spend half of the CBT limit, reclaim funds for the owners. Contenders reclaim funds to re-allocate them back into the roster.
I find myself becoming more intrigued by what whoever they can pull out of the pipe might do, and less interested by whether Bill writes a check. I guess if I was going downtown to get fleeced or dropping money to watch however many games on whatever service, I would want him writing checks.
BOS took on 53mil of Gray and Contreras over 2026 & 27′. May and Fitts adds back 13mil. 40mil cleared from the books and Arenado is owed 35mil-ish, in full.
One viewpoint could be Arenado is here and paid for with the re-claimed funds above, over the next two seasons, if we went full stop today (this is us).
But, Bloom will be active and the current budget (101mil) will fluctuate. But, are we a 180’s budget, 150’s or 120’s ? That’s the elephant in the room behind this winters activity, the backfill amount.
From that viewpoint the Arenado saga then becomes a sideshow that the FO just lets play, and play out.
Dear GameCard,
I have asked this before, as have others. Why so adamant, “Don’t trade Donny” and variations (if you have answered, I have missed it.) He is probably our best trade chip. Ya gotta give to get. Who would you be willing to trade? I believe I have stated this before, but I would be willing to trade ANYONE on the Major League roster. Need to get more athletic with power potential bats and power arms please.
Regarding how to move Arenado it really boils down to why the Cardinals want to trade him in the first place.
1. Is it to clear a roster spot for a younger player? If so then you eat the required money to move him.
2. Is it to reduce payroll? If so then yes you would have to attach a valuable player like Donovan.
3. Is it to get good prospects back? There is no good way to get good prospects back in an Arenado trade unless you attach half of the Cardinal roster.
The smart move would be to choose option 1 and use Donovan in a separate trade to maximize prospect return. Bill may be more interested in saving money but Bloom is more interested in stocking the farm with new prospects. We will see our persuasive he is.
1A) trade for 25 to 30mil in salary coming back to stl. A rhb outfielder could meet a current need, clear the runway at 3B, and Bill reclaims 5 to 10mil. A contract close to Arenado’s field value, a mutual dump. Finding a buyer, is probably like trying to find a needle in a haystack tho.
Over all of these years, I’ve never led you guys astray. It is with this in mind that I say “trust me, NyQuist, Donny is staying put”. I would legitimately put the odds of Donny being dealt at under 5%. If he were to be traded, what we would get in return would literally knock all of our socks off in amazement.
I wonder what Donovan’s preference would be, if actually given the choice. Would he choose to stay in St. Louis and struggle along with ownership’s money-saving program for the next few years or move on to a team whose priority is to win baseball games?
CiF, Donovan might want to stay so he could be our designated All Star again like last year. Pad the resume.
I read a comment elsewhere promoting trading our shiniest trade chip, Winn. He put it this way…. yeah we’d be losing the present starter with the highest ceiling, but hey, our #1 prospect is a SS. Getting a more elite pitcher would be the result and the spot that opens up by dealing Winn is covered, plus Wetherholt won’t have to learn a different position. To bring back a premier #1 starter like the dealing of Winn could bring, instead of moving a number of players would be a Winn Winn Winn. Hmmmm, it kind of had me thinking. But I think that Bloom doesn’t have the guts to get that done.
Back off… I’m just the messenger here.
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