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I don’t mind them trading Donovan. He is at his peak and it’s not about shedding salary. I think they may even get more value back than he’s worth too.
I also don’t think he has a defensive home here since Wetherholt doesn’t seem like a 3Bman to me.
These are some pretty decent prospects here:
In talks with Seattle, Woo reports that the Cardinals have discussed top pitching prospect Jurrangelo Cijntje and outfielder Lazaro Montes. The pair are Seattle’s #7 and #3 prospects, respectively, according to MLB Pipeline. In talks with the Giants, Woo writes that the names of infielder Gavin Kilen and southpaw Carson Whisenhunt have come up. Kilen is San Francisco’s #2 prospect per Pipeline, while Whisenhunt ranks #7.Cijntje was the #15 pick in the 2024 draft. Montes hit 32 HRs last year in A+/AA ball.
Whisenhunt could make our rotation. Kilen was the 13th pick from this past draft. Other than Kilen, the other 3 are all top 100 prospects. Kilen was teammates with Doyle and Franklin.
Why would Cards keep Donovan?people just can’t seem to accept a rebuild. Donovan is a fine player but IMHO it will take a couple of years to rebuild to a serious contender.So why not try and take advantage and trade assets who are aging(Contreras), guys soon to be FA (Romero,Donovan year later.Bite the bullet and go with youth .Been a fan since early 60’s and seen good and bad years.Pick a path and stick to it.I feel Bloom will get the job done.Just my two cents.
Agree BW. I think he offers the greatest value to other teams now. Strike now while the iron is hot!
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DO NOT TRADE DONNIE!!!DO NOT TRADE DONNIE!!!
Donovan is one of our guys….. came through the system. We already signed a starter and Donovan can play the outfield. (wiping hands) Both problems solved. I jest but DON’T TRADE DONOVAN.
Tough call. You are selling pretty high on Donnie right now, and likely not contending for a couple of years or more so it makes sense to move him if you see a deal for some top prospects.
Then again, trading one of the team’s leaders on the field and in the clubhouse is not ideal.
If we were an 85-90 win team, I keep him. But winning 79 and trading our ace starter already, it makes sense to go the “sell high” route.
I’d have to guess that Donovan can’t wait to move on from the Cardinals. He has to have noticed that his old teammate Edman is not only collecting over $12M a season, but also has some nice jewelry to compliment all that cash. I’m reasonably certain Donovan knows that any future in a Redbird uniform is a gloomy one.
The reason you trade Donovan now is the Cardinals are extremely redundant at 2B & 3B, and he is the player that brings the greatest return (and costs the most cash besides Arenado).
If you hold him and get nothing of value in exchange, you can continue being a sub .500 team for the remaining two years he is under contract, unless DeWitt opens up DeWallet, which seems unlikely.
I can see some logic in trading Donovan (which I strongly oppose) but how are we going to end up with somebody better than Donovan if we have so little of value to sell? Or do we just get another Donovan whom we don’t know, and a couple of sub-Donovans some other team wants to unload. Right now, we already have a real Donovan and a boatload of sub-Donovans.
I also don’t think he has a defensive home here since Wetherholt doesn’t seem like a 3Bman to me.
Yeah, Donovan has also played very little 3B and if the Cardinals trade Arenado I would expect Gorman to be at 3B and JJ at 2B. Donnie is either in LF or traded.
Mariners fans are going crazy about the potential return (saying it’s too much to ask for Cinjtje and Montes). I’m personally not excited about Cinjtje, as I think his ability to throw with both arms (one side pretty poorly) overrates him. Montes is definitely Gorman v2.0, but sometimes Gormans turn out. I wouldn’t hate the return, but wouldn’t love it. That’s probably a sign that’s it’s a fair-ish trade. Prospects almost always fail, so the team getting the MLB player almost always wins the deal.
-Its just about moving older guys who are running out of control and loading up on interesting prospects and high upside MLB ready/pre arb types for the new PD system to work with. Donovan turns 29 and is fast approaching the point where looming free agency means a trade partner would be looking at a rental, and determine value accordingly. Now is the time.
As to Gorman, Bloom and his crew had a year to look at him. They superglued Wetherholt to 3B. Gorman can hang around in the 2B mix and be 3B depth.
I have no desire to add Cinjtje… and doubt they would even do Montes for Donnie, might be wrong but who knows.
I’d still like Jojo packaged with Donnie or Contreras to get a potential star.
As well as Church and Crooks since they are highly redundant and will only lose value.
I don’t really like either of these deals. Cfanin Chi has the idea. Package Donnie with Jojo and a c prospect for a high ceiling prospect. These guys they’re talking about are all flawed from the jump. It should be better than what we got for Gray, and it doesn’t feel that way.
I just read something on Facebook that said Donovan was traded to the Astros.
Anybody got any scoop?
Or was that more fake news?
If someone is willing to give up two of their top 10 for Donovan, or an already ready MLB starter, I do it. At best, he’s a good player on a bad team next year. I would imagine that by 2027 at worst, Wetherholt provides greater value than he does at similar positions. Adding a young MLB arm or two prospects with a chance to get another big league starter by the 2027-28 contention window opening just makes too much sense. I’d hold out hope for someone like Sloan or Lagrange, Elmer Rodriguez, etc. as the return but we may have to move down a level and get two guys of the more fringy top 100 type.
If Bloom does trade the very popular, very versatile, very talented All-Star, he knows that he’s on the spot. If the return he gets fizzles, his reputation will be seen as Mozeliak II. His solution should be to not trade Donovan…. one of our guys.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if Bloom is using Donovan as an inducement to open discussions with more teams? By some reports, at least half the teams in MLB have reached out to him about Donovan. I guarantee many fewer teams are asking about Arenado, for example. Once the two sides start real dialogue, anyone can be discussed. Hopefully, Bloom is being creative in his proposals.
If Bloom doesn’t trade Donovan and BD gets injured or the team goes 70-92 or something in that area then what? Bloom would be ripped for not getting something for BD to improve the future.Really makes little sense to keep a asset nearing 30 and Free agency.Donovan is a fine player but is he going to make a big difference the next year or two? Take advantage while his market is hot. Better to trade a year early than wait a year too late.I wouldn’t mind seeing Contreras,Gorman,Romero,Pages,Walker,Pallante,Burleson all available for trades if good prospects can be obtained.Better to look ahead instead of running in place.
Regarding Woo’s post…
The Giants prospects are exactly the opposite in what I’d hope for….. yet another LHSP and a light hitting middle infielder.Last time I checked they need the opposite of that unless they are immediately flipping them, 3 team trade immediately.
Seattle seems like a perfect Donnie swap.
Boston for Contreras.
Jojo to highest bidder.
Arenado bad contract swap for Manaea.
Church and Crooks (combined) to the highest bidder.bw53: Say Bloom trades Donovan and the guy Bloom trades for gets injured. What’s the difference?
Injury is the great eight ball of sports. It’s destiny.
CIF, spot on, see (Reyes, Alex)
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Score 10 and give up 9, would be a heck of a lot more fun for fans overall and get butts in the seat, minus these defense addict folks.
The thing they got going for them is they absolutely don’t need to trade him, he isn’t making big money and is productive, so unless they are blown away they can keep him…he and Weatherholt are pretty interchangeable at 2nd and 3rd.
I would think it would take a top Starting pitching prospect at AA or AAA, maybe the more teams will up what they will give up.
Arrenado is getting shipped most likely so he is out of the picture at 3rd…Gorman is going to need a lights out Spring to show he is anymore than a reserve player.
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