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Btv has that trade about even ChiTown. Morales and Ryan. Not sure where that rumor came from, but theres a lot of folks playing gm
Forsch, very slow time of year… click bate..
0.0 percent chance that was ever discussed or on the table.
I like Morales even more than Montes actually, that trade could be CB’s defining moment when kids look back on it in 25 years.Cards get: Ryan, Morales and Wagner
Dodgers get: Donnie, Jojo, Jimmy Crooks(Will Smith isn’t young and needs a few days off)There are still pundits that say Seattle makes the most sense for Donovan to be traded. But that just doesn’t add up financially. The Mariners only have $15.5M to work with and an acquisition of Donovan would take up $5.5M of that. So a trade involving Donovan could not be expanded. The Cardinals’ hands would be effectively tied to a one-for-one trade. The Cardinals are looking for pitching, and the Mariners are very unlikely to be willing to offer top tier pitching in a one-for-one trade. The Cardinals will continue to look elsewhere, and the Mariners will go with what they’ve got.
Agee that it’s a very slow time of the year.
So take Robles back and wash the Donovan salary away for SEA. Now you can ask for full value on Donny, plus.
Their hands aren’t tied and the expanded package you targeted is closer to that outcome.
I read a comment elsewhere promoting trading our shiniest trade chip, Winn. He put it this way…. yeah we’d be losing the present starter with the highest ceiling, but hey, our #1 prospect is a SS. Getting a more elite pitcher would be the result and the spot that opens up by dealing Winn is covered, plus Wetherholt won’t have to learn a different position. To bring back a premier #1 starter like the dealing of Winn could bring, instead of moving a number of players would be a Winn Winn Winn. Hmmmm, it kind of had me thinking. But I think that Bloom doesn’t have the guts to get that done.
Back off… I’m just the messenger here.
jj, you’re living proof that there are more than one angle on all proposals.
14Nyquis, just a reminder that the Cardinals have been trying to find a suitable, hopefully, long term replacement for Ozzie for decades. Winn wears uniform #0 out of respect for Ozzie Smith.
I’m disagreeing with two posters at the same time. Proof, once again, that it’s a very slow time of the year. Wish Bregman would make up his mind so Bloom could get back to business.
There are still pundits that say Seattle makes the most sense for Donovan to be traded. But that just doesn’t add up financially. The Mariners only have $15.5M to work with and an acquisition of Donovan would take up $5.5M of that.
How does this not add up financially?
Seattle has $15.5 million of room, and Donovan is only projected to cost $5.5 million…
Muds, Bergman / Suarez signing also help unlock Donovans market. These gm’s know all “facilitate a trade” shuffling. Someone will blink.
They should hold out to get the best possible deal by leveraging teams against each other….if that doesn’t work they can just re sign him….surely cheapskate DeWitt can afford Donovan’s contract.
Seattle has $15.5 million of room, and Donovan is only projected to cost $5.5 million…
I was thinking that Seattle would only have $9.5M left which would effectively stop the Cardinals from putting together a bigger package. I don’t think Donovan alone is enough to bring back one of Seattle’s top pitching prospects. Adding Romero might be enough. But he’s Arb Eligible which will very likely bring him a big raise. Could double what he’s currently getting which would bring him into the $5M – $6M range, and reduce the Mariners’ available cash to around $4.5M. Come to think of it, Donnie is headed to arbitration, also. That would likely use up almost all of the remainder of Seattle’s available cash and there would not be anything meaningful left to get the Mariners through the rest of the season. Anyway, that’s my thinking on it, LACF.
I was thinking that Seattle would only have $9.5M left which would effectively stop the Cardinals from putting together a bigger package. I don’t think Donovan alone is enough to bring back one of Seattle’s top pitching prospects. Adding Romero might be enough.
I am seeing this a lot, in the proposals. Everyone realizes major league players are more valuable that prospects, right? There’s a reason most trades involve multiple prospects for one major leaguer. We are just too accustomed to Mozeliak’s strategy which prioritized not trading away prospects at all.
And this report on MLBTR indicates the Mariners are willing to include at least one top pitching prospect.
My guess is, the Cardinals are holding out to see if another club misses out on their top choices and is willing to offer a bigger package.
Also, the Mariners front office has indicated they will have the potential for a trade deadline budget increase, just like they did this year.
I didn’t mention it this time, but I still think Donovan could be the key to moving Arenado, especially if the Red Sox don’t sign Bregman. The return would likely not be on par with one of Seattle’s top pitching prospects, but it could be a way of moving Arenado. Everything is speculative until something happens.
This comes from the Seattle Times beat reporter covering the Mariners.
“But with a loaded farm system, they are willing to move some of their top prospects in a package for Donovan, including switch-pitcher Jurrangelo Cijntje, their first-round pick in 2024.”
(This is the same source cited by MLBTR noted above.)
Haha…”Switch-pitcher”…Larry Corcoran was listed as 5-3 and 127 lbs. Someone switched his pork chops with yogurt.
I like the thinking that considers putting Winn on the block. That opens up some new roads down which to travel. Why not?
I try to keep an open mind, but there’s just not a trade that includes Winn that makes any sense. He’s already gold glove. His hitting will improve. There’s just other ways to gain offense besides trading your best defensive player at the most important position. Young and cost controlled.
Seattle does seem to be the most likely landing spot for Donovan, still. The one (slight) issue is that they seem to have made some prospects at positions we need back untouchable (Emerson, Anderson, Sloan, to some degree Montes) and the “other” guys they are offering are not that desirable to us. Cijntje is a good, not great prospect who’s being propped up a bit because of the uniqueness of his switch throwing. Arroyo is also good but he’s not likely a 3B and isn’t better than Wetherholt at 2B. Even Montes has the huge swing and miss issues. You’ve also got Peete, who is just another Victor Scott noodle bat, Farmelo, another lefty bat for the OF…
At this point, I think the Yankees or Dodgers probably give us the best return and I wouldn’t mind telling the Mariners that. If they want a chance to win their first ever pennant, or even their 4th playoff series this century, they may wanna change strategy from prospect clutching.
Our FO cheat sheet on Donovan trades would be a fascinating read. Bloom was very punctual unloading Gray and Contreras salaries for prospects. Time this Donovan trade right, for the right return, and we have a trader navigating our course.
Winn should be an extension candidate instead of a trade candidate. He is already the best defensive SS in the NL so if he can add a little more offense he will be a perennial all star.
I will be shocked if Bloom attaches Donovan to an Arenado trade. That would be extremely short sighted to give away your best trade chip for nothing but salary relief. He would be better off keeping Arenado than doing that.
Arroyo is also good but he’s not likely a 3B and isn’t better than Wetherholt at 2B.
FWIW Michael Arroyo, Seattle’s 63rd-ranked prospect at MLB.com, has been playing the outfield in the Colombian Winter League.
Would any team be interested in a barely 21-year-old righthand-hitting outfielder who has posted wRC+ of 146 amd 139 the past two seasons as an underaged hitter over Single A and Double A?
Harmony, happy holidays 1st off. Obviously is the answer, so Sloan and Arroyo for Donnie and Arenado, Arenado being paid down to 5m a year? Cheaper than Suarez…. We will even throw in Pages to back up your 60HR man.
Bregman/Boras are really holding things up once again.
I like your trade proposal, CFIC. But it sure seems unlikely that WDWJr would be willing to eat $25M of Arenado’s salary. And Seattle simply can’t afford to pay more than $5M of Arenado’s salary. Besides, the Seattle brain trust is playing hard ball in that they have designated Sloan as being untouchable. I just can’t see Donovan going to Seattle. The Mariners will go with what they’ve got and hope for the best. And Donovan will go wherever Bloom can get the best deal.
Happy Holidays, CardsFanInChiT!
The Mariners would likely prefer to roll out the following lineup instead of trading the high ceiling of Ryan Sloan: CRaleigh, 1B JNaylor, 2B CYoung, SS JCrawford, 3B BWilliamson, RF VRobles/LRaley, CF JRodriguez, LF RArozarena, DH DCanzone.
In other words, a trade of Sloan is unlikely.
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