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Management owes Cardinal nation an explanation to the rationality of their decision to keep putting Carpenter in the lineup!
Welcome, Twinboys. All I can offer is that there have been only two games so far, yesterday and tonight. A good question is how long Carpenter’s rope will be.
Twinboys, I suggest you read Derrick Goold’s article from earlier today about Carpenter batting leadoff. He spoke with the player and his manager. That is as close to a public explanation as you are bound to get.
Mike Shildt likes to say, “We are not married to batting Carpenter leadoff.”
They are definitely engaged in it.#cardinals #stlcards #MLB https://t.co/moSHwIlQO4
— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) August 5, 2019
I understand he just came back, however he has had one good month in the last season and a half of baseball.
His rope must be mighty long if that’s the case.And that one good month, plus a visit to MO to tell him how he yearned to finish his career as a Cardinal, got him an extra $39M.
Where was it said a commentator effected a player’s stats? Also, I was made an analogy about Mark Mulder and how his rehab stats were indicator that he wasn’t ready for the MLB, which is what people are saying about Carp and you have people saying rehab stats are meaningless. Its tiring making analogies on this site only to be told they’re irrelevant. Whatever.
I was made an analogy about Mark Mulder and how his rehab stats were indicator that he wasn’t ready for the MLB, which is what people are saying about Carp and you have people saying rehab stats are meaningless. Its tiring making analogies on this site only to be told they’re irrelevant. Whatever.
You so want to disagree with me that you fail to comprehend what I said. I never said that rehab stats are meaningless to how a player would perform. I never said Carpenter was proven ready to come back and hit MLB pitching. I never said I would hit him leadoff. I said that a veteran player’ rehab stats have nothing to do with when they return to the Majors. And that is a fact.
I also insinuated that anyone who said that a ball hit over 103 MPH off the bat was a “seeing-eye” single is a fool or ignorant to what that phrase means. That is also a fact.
Let’s at least have some reading comprehension before we so blindly go into a rage about a player who replaced a guy who is hitting just as poorly. And you guys also are picking a fine time to rip on Carp after a game where he had two very-hard hit balls in the game. But hey, don’t let me get in the way of your blind rage. Just don’t misquote me or pretend I said something that I didn’t.
An interesting question why Wong was not given a shot leading off even before Carpenter returned.
Lots of #STLCards leadoff debate today. I'll just add this. Kolten Wong's batting line since July reads .354/.419/.451. Team-high 15 stolen bases this season. Wong has had 16 leadoff at-bats all season, and none since May 30. Can't say you know Carpenter is your best option then.
— Ben Frederickson (@Ben_Fred) August 6, 2019
You so want to disagree with me that you fail to comprehend what I said. I never said that rehab stats are meaningless to how a player would perform. I never said Carpenter was proven ready to come back and hit MLB pitching. I never said I would hit him leadoff. I said that a veteran player’ rehab stats have nothing to do with when they return to the Majors. And that is a fact.
I also insinuated that anyone who said that a ball hit over 103 MPH off the bat was a “seeing-eye” single is a fool or ignorant to what that phrase means. That is also a fact.
Let’s at least have some reading comprehension before we so blindly go into a rage about a player who replaced a guy who is hitting just as poorly. And you guys also are picking a fine time to rip on Carp after a game where he had two very-hard hit balls in the game. But hey, don’t let me get in the way of your blind rage. Just don’t misquote me or pretend I said something that I didn’t.
Can you prove your “fact?” No you can’t. Also, I’ve been consistent in my criticism of Carp all season. He just came off a 2-26 rehab and you’re acting like it means nothing. I didn’t misquote you, nor did I put words in your mouth. As far as the reading comprehension insult goes, I’ll pass on a reply. Its not the first time you’ve insulted me on this site and I’m sure it won’t be the last.
I can prove the fact that rehab stats have nothing to do with when a veteran comes off of rehab assigment. It’s the rules.
You still can’t comprehend that? Really?
And I love all of you running down Carpenter. One person says he only hit for one month last year. Another says 10 weeks. His OPS last year, by month, from May through August, were .961, 1.040, 1.222, and .984. That is four months of mashing. That is over 17 weeks of numbers that would lead our current team by more than 100 points.
But, yeah, you guys aren’t biased or anything.
I can prove the fact that rehab stats have nothing to do with when a veteran comes off of rehab assigment. It’s the rules.
My reading comprehension is just fine. Maybe if you had written a better explanation than this: “You don’t follow baseball terribly closely if you think a rehabbing vets stats matter in calling them up from injury. One could even say you’d have to be beyond not following it closely,” it wouldn’t have lead to you ragging out on the forums.
Also, he wasn’t great the entire month of May or August, and it was probably more like 12 weeks but it was nowhere near the 17 weeks you claim. Now that’s a fact.
Let’s put aside the insults and move ahead, please.
As I see it, there are four reasons a player’s rehab could end.
1) The player ends it (and the team has to agree).
2) The team ends it (and of course, the player will agree). In this case, his minor league results might encourage them to bring him back sooner than planned. Or he could be needed sooner to replace someone else, for example.
3) The maximum time of 20/30 days (or a pre-arranged period) is exhausted.
4) The player is injured again.I am not sure why this is a point of contention, though…
Also, he wasn’t great the entire month of May or August, and it was probably more like 12 weeks but it was nowhere near the 17 weeks you claim. Now that’s a fact.
Let me lay it out for you.
The first 7 days of May last year, Carp’s OPS was .835. So it isn’t like he started the month poorly. He finished the month with a .961 OPS, so I think we can give him credit for hitting well for the whole month.
You’d have a hard time claiming that he wasn’t red hot throughout June and July (1.040 and 1.222 OPS).
In August, his OPS was .984, and in the last week, from the 25th to the 31st, his OPS was 1.342. Hard to not give him the whole month of August, too.
So, May 1 to August 31 covers 123 days, or about 17 and half weeks. Now, I want to be fair. He had an 8 day period in middle of May (from the 8th to the 15th) where he was dinged up, started 3 games and pinch hit in another, where he was not good. So, to be fair to you, I will subtract those 8 days out. So he hit really well (almost a 1.100 OPS) for 115 days, or 16 weeks and 3 days.
So, you are right. I was way off of the 17 weeks. It was really 16.43 weeks. My bad.
And that one good month, plus a visit to MO to tell him how he yearned to finish his career as a Cardinal, got him an extra $39M.
This is the saddest truth about all of this and explains why Carp is in the lineup and hitting leadoff. The argument about his rehab is irrelevant. Follow the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.
Carp looks done.
I think we keep Wong, DeJong, Bader—–any other position players who might be good in five years?
I’m ready to see what is on the farm.
There are no FACts on if rehab stats mean anything….don’t be silly…they should and DO matter beacuse if the guy isn’t hitting crappy AA / AAA pitching he not going to hit ML pitching dont be foolish saying rehab stats don’t mean anything that is just foolish talk!
Reading comprehension. I never said that minor league stats don’t correlate to how a player will do upon arrival back on the MLB roster. I said they don’t matter as to whether or not the vet gets called up.
and we are saying they should some more often do, unless they just run out of time when they can be down there but keep insulting people and sure you will be loved around here…
Let me lay it out for you.
The first 7 days of May last year, Carp’s OPS was .835. So it isn’t like he started the month poorly. He finished the month with a .961 OPS, so I think we can give him credit for hitting well for the whole month.
You’d have a hard time claiming that he wasn’t red hot throughout June and July (1.040 and 1.222 OPS).
In August, his OPS was .984, and in the last week, from the 25th to the 31st, his OPS was 1.342. Hard to not give him the whole month of August, too.
So, May 1 to August 31 covers 123 days, or about 17 and half weeks. Now, I want to be fair. He had an 8 day period in middle of May (from the 8th to the 15th) where he was dinged up, started 3 games and pinch hit in another, where he was not good. So, to be fair to you, I will subtract those 8 days out. So he hit really well (almost a 1.100 OPS) for 115 days, or 16 weeks and 3 days.
So, you are right. I was way off of the 17 weeks. It was really 16.43 weeks. My bad.
What are you even looking at? The first 7 days of May in 2018 Carp’s OPS was .689 and for the season up that point his OPS was .601. He didn’t even get to an .800 OPS in May until May 20th which was .831 and was still only at .672 for the season. So it was basically from May 20th until end of May. I guess looking at numbers is hard for you.
No one is denying his June and July stats, and I’ll give you August.
Even with on concession its only 14.5 weeks and not the 16 or 17 your originally claimed. Furthermore, taking those into account with 2019 he’s played worse longer than he’s played good across almost 2 full seasons. To say he’s in a slump is a misnomer.
The first 7 days of May, May 1st through May 7th (2018), Carpenter played in 6 games, started 5, the team went 5-1, he had 22 plate appearances, 17 at bats, 1 run, 3 hits, two doubles, one homer, 3 RBI, 4 walks, one hit by pitch. That comes out to a slash line of .176/.364/.471 – and an OPS of .834. If you need proof, click this link:
Even with that, how you can go from 16.43 weeks to 14 weeks after subtracting one week is beyond me. Math truly isn’t that difficult.
keep insulting people and sure you will be loved around here…
Why Onyxgem, are we cross? What an ugly thing to say… does this mean we’re not friends anymore? You know, Onyx, if I thought you weren’t my friend, I just don’t think I could bear it.
Onyx, the team can’t keep Carpenter down to rehab if Carpenter doesn’t want them to. There is no other way about it.
If posters want to cherry pick stats, I can cherry pick Yelich to prove he was a poor hitter for at least a month and a half in 2018. Carpenter was good for a lot longer than just 1 month in 2018. Let’s stop all the foolishness and admit Carpenter has not been good in 2019 but had a pretty good 2018.
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