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Apparently angels are going to hire pujols as their next manager. We keep marmol, they get pujols. At least pujols as manager would have motivated a little more caring and excitement. Still would need players but i think having pujols would have been a big plus esp with a young team. This organization doesnt deserve to have anybody come to its games. Even the lowly cubs are better ran.
I look forward to Bloom’s overhaul of our roster. It’s construction is horrid. Let’s see where it’s at on opening day. Bloom decided not to bring in another rookie manager and coaching staff. We will find out soon enough whether that was a good move. At the very worst it’s a neutral move. There isn’t a manager in the history of the game that turns this into a winning roster without a complete and carefully orchestrated overhaul. And if people want to think ownership doesn’t care about winning, that’s your privilege. But they lost a million fans and all the revenue that comes with them and all the profit attached to the revenue. Common sense tells you they want those fans and revenue back. The only way to do that is win.
It was already mentioned on the Pujols thread, but Albert is under contract to the Angels for the next seven years at $1 MM per year. I assume that any other organization that wants to hire him would have to buy Albert’s personal services deal out.
Why would you want the Cards to spend $7 MM plus his salary (which could be used instead on better players) just to get a familiar name as the manager? Isn’t getting better players more important?
I don’t think Albert would be a good choice for the top step. All time great hitters normally don’t make good baseball managers. Ted Williams was .429 at 273-364…If you want a good manager, look for someone who can’t hit their weight…Haha!
? Isn’t getting better players more important?
I think it is. I think it’s where all of Blooms effort is being focused. You never know. Maybe Oli’s team improves fundamentally under the direction of someone besides Mo. It’s widely reported he is well liked by players. That’s not a small thing in today’s game. Be fair. Our record could have been a lot worse. It’s easy to cherry pick all the mistakes and point them out. All managers make them.
How often does a manager remain until his contract runs out? Normally, wouldn’t he either get an extension or get let go before it runs out? Maybe we won’t have Ollie the whole year.
Well brian getting better players is fine if you have competent coaches and ownership. 7 million doesnt buy jack anymore far as players go but getting pujols could have been a boss move. I have no ideal how he will do as a manager and he def wouldnt be able to come in here and magically take this team to a world series right away but he could help grow a young team into it as well as grow himself. Plus it would bring positive attention to the team which could improve their perception as well as attendance for a minute anyway. You have to create a buzz.
People say only winning will do that. Well first off the cardinals were within sight of a playoff birth a good part of the season, almost til end really. Did that improve attendance, no clearly not. Fans are tired of the do just good enough and then hope n pray. Its not hard to see that. I dont think being thr cincinatti reds of 2025 in 2026 will do anything to move the needle. To the reds credit, they at least fired their manager before this season so they at least on perception are moving forward. Cardinals cant even get perception part right.
Those saying pujols wouldnt make a good manager because great players tend not to be able to coach well might be right. However esp in todays game, having strong leadership skills is more important than being able to coach other players and there are other coaches on the team to do the individual coaching. Secondly pujols was a little different great player from lots of past great players. Those players tended to rely on their exceptional skills til they got old, pujols was always studying and working on improving. Watching every at bat, every pitcher so hes more of an exceotion than the rule which is why i think he could be a good manager in time.Albert would want to win. He would want the players to win. That costs poor Bill money. Bill has the right puppets in place. CB/Oli won’t even mention the budget to Bill. They won’t make any waves that could be seen as “philosophical differences”.
Willie/JJ- I like to think I keep an open mind. If you don’t consider new ideas, you don’t learn anything new. I read both of your posts and and both have value. I don’t just discount them because of my own opinions.
I’d sure like a look at CB’s back of envelope. “New ideas” are on the front burner.
Best Cardinals message board in town. Starts from the top.Although I don’t think Pujols would at all be a good choice for manager of the Redbirds, I’m in total agreement with Willie’s assessment in regards to hiring him would not only be a first rate PR ploy, but would also sell plenty of tickets. And who knows? He may turn out to be a first rate Big League manager. I’d just hate to see him struggle with a lackluster roster in the city in which he had so much outstanding success as one of the greatest sluggers of all time. If I were on his advisory board, I’d strongly urge him to be satisfied with the magnificient swansong performance that he featured in StL. in ’22. I’d like to remember him as the great Albert Pujols, and not a yes man who worked for a collection of bureaucratic bean counters who specialize in the study of spreadsheets.
Ownership has already proven its not going to spend big money. We dont have great talent coming up to save us. Keeping marmol is just another indicator they are fine losing.
willie, I think you just outlined why they are bringing Marmol back. Ownership isn’t going to spend and we don’t have enough talent to be a contender. I think they want the new manager to come in when the team is ready to win or at least they want Marmol’s contract to expire. I mean come on this is the Cardinals we are talking about. I am surprised they haven’t organized a car wash outside Busch stadium to help raise a little extra dough.
While I was not surprised they brought Marmol back for 2026 I am also confident that 2026 will be his last year as Cardinal manager. I don’t think Bloom will give him an extension and we will have a new skipper for the 2027 season, assuming it gets played.
You want to bring in a manager, a young inexperienced one to grow and gel with a team and become a us vs the world type thing as they improve enough and get more pieces to really compete. What you are talking about gscottar is the old experienced type of manager that doesnt need to gel with his guys cause its his way. I dont see any of those out there anymore, the ghost of whitey isnt coming back. Pujols wouldnt be interested if he figured he couldnt handle losing. Hes not blind to what this team is capable of at this time. Pujols is very baseball smart. I read a article showing the cardinals fell off afte dance by over 600,000. The owner said he got the message but i dont really think he did. Not by the moves they are msking, at least not the message the fans are actually sending.
Keepcomingback, what are these new ideas im supposed to keep an open mind to. Keeping marmol? Thats an old ideal i didnt agree with it then, dont agree with it now. The stuff a lot of people bring up is the same ole stuff that lead us where we are. They either dont have the money or arent going to spend the money to really improve that way. Thats a given at this point. So if not by spending, you have to find creative ways to improve and give your fans some hope so they will still support your product. This ownership has been living of the good stuff it did early but that doesnt buy you forever, not in st louis anyway.
I’d like to know what, in the eyes of Bloom and company, constitutes success? Does snagging the lowest hanging fruit on the wild card tree and finishing third in the division 15 games behind mean we had a successful year?
Of course, theoretically, any of the 40 percent of MLB teams that grabs one of those apples could go all the way to the world series.
But does achieving one of the 12 playoff spots in an interminable elimination system equal success? Where do the Cardinals have to finish to claim a successful year? They’ve already tried to temper our enthusiasm and lower expectations for next year and perhaps beyond by stressing parsimony. So where’s the beef?
“Willie, our last three managers have been rookies. Maybe we will try something different next time.”
Well, over the past 50 years or so, the Cards have had three fallow periods. Obviously we are in the third one now. (Thanks, Mo. Thanks, Ollie.)
It took Herzog to pull them out of the first, and LaRussa to extract them from the second. The year before Whitey took over, the club was 74-88, and the next season they played .578 baseball. Don Tony inherited a team with a dismal .434 winning percentage and went 88-74 in his first season and advanced to the NLCS.
And the sport ain’t changed THAT much since then. So, yeah, it sure feels to me like a creative, decisive manager with an excellent track record can immediately turn a team around nearly 180 degrees. (Of course, for the Birds that’ll be in 2027 rather than 2026, as Ollie is here to finish off his contract.)
Not that I would object to Stubby Clapp; in fact he’s the only guy without an MLB managerial pedigree I would not object to. Much as I love Pujols & Molina, we know nothing about their managerial chops. But we know about Stubby. He’s not too old, he’s used to managing young players, and he knows this roster. But mostly, it’s very hard to win back-to-back AAA championships, as there’s plenty of personnel turnover from year to year. One title could be a fluke. Not two in a row, no way.
Lastly, thanks for the kind comments over the past week or so, fellow birdfans.
, what are these new ideas im supposed to keep an open mind to. Keeping marmol? Thats an old ideal i didnt agree with it then, dont agree with it now.
I was keeping my mind open to your idea of hiring Pujols. I agree with many out there that hiring Pujols isn’t a good idea. 4th rookie manager in a row. If he sucks you want to be the guy that fires Albert Pujols? But now that I think about it more it’s a horrible idea. I close my mind.
He cant suck any worse than marmol. My belief is pujols would be fine based on evidence of the type of player pujols is. He may not win with the angels but the angels are a losing organization for a reason. Far as firing. Wont be a problem. They had no problem letting him go to the angels in the first place.
Gscottar who is this veteran manager you speak of. Like i said the ghost of whitey isnt coming. I guess we could hire aaron boone if the yankees rightly fire him this year if the yankees fail again. O dont like that but i guess it might satisfy you. Pujols will only be a rookie on paper. Everything else tells you he knows what hes doing. People looking at him like hes the typical rookie manager are so off base, its like they didnt pay atention at all while pujols was here.
Bringing Marmol back clearly bothers some people more than others. I think it was Blooms decision. So he must be most comfortable without the transition to a new manager at this time. Im fine with it. I would prefer he focus on getting better players.
Gscottar who is this veteran manager you speak of.
There are probably a dozen ex-managers out there available to hire. I don’t have a specific favorite in mind but there are certainly options.
FWIW, some of the experienced managers listed in connection with other openings:
David Ross
Walt Weiss
Fredi Gonzalez
Davey Martinez
Brandon Hyde
Bud Black
Rocco Baldelli
Bob Melvin
Bruce Bochy
Derek Shelton
Dusty Baker
Don Mattingly
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