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If that is the case then we know who the manager will be in 2027.
That would seem logical. Or if Oli gets canned before season ends.
“Right now, we’re in contact with St. Louis to coach the Cardinals and help Mármol. He’s still the manager, but I’d be there by his side. Nothing is concrete yet, but we’re working on it,” Molina told EL VOCERO.
What would this mean for the current bench coach Daniel Descalso?
Brian- Do you think bringing Molina in would have any effect on whether or not they traded Contreras?
KCB asked:
Brian- Do you think bringing Molina in would have any effect on whether or not they traded Contreras?
Only if Yadi is going to play again! 😉
From my reading of the article, there is some expectation that descalso will be offered a job by another team. Molina would be fine. Im not as high on molina as i am pujols but he would be great for the battery positiond.
Only if Yadi is going to play again!
I guess I didn’t really word that right- Would Contreras be more interested in staying/ would Yadi be more interested in keeping him as a veteran presence
KCB said:
I guess I didn’t really word that right- Would Contreras be more interested in staying/ would Yadi be more interested in keeping him as a veteran presence
I was just joking before. I don’t think a coach (Yadi) would (or should) have much influence in how Bloom sets his roster. As a first baseman now, Contreras probably isn’t going to care all that much one way or the other about Yadi being in house. If anything, he might be happy if he thinks Molina can help them win more games. Folks can say what they want about Contreras, but to me, he seems genuinely committed to being a Cardinal.
Looking at Contreras’ salary, enthusiasm, desire to help the Cardinals win and production, I say keep him unless you can get a huge haul for him.
Contreas seems to have been the glue that held the team together in25. He is money in the clutch. I will be disappointed if he goes.
1tough said:
He’s quite easily the absolute worst manager in the entire Big Leagues. And if you don’t believe me, ask the players.
What’s your source, please? This Katie Woo article has multiple positive quotes that conflict with your statement. They include McGreevy, Winn, Burleson and Donovan, not to mention Bloom (though the latter has not discussed a contract extension with him). The quote in the title is from Donovan, generally accepted as the team leader among the younger players.
Oli Marmol returns as Cardinals manager, and players have his back: ‘He did a hell of a job’
This Katie Woo article has multiple positive quotes
The situational context needs to be kept in mind. It is known that Marmol will be the manager, so what are the players supposed to be saying? What else could they say. In the broader sense of the term, they are publicly supporting their mates, whatever their private thoughts may be. In my mind, it is not evidence one way or the other, just the appropriate posturing.
“Oliver Marmol was voted one of the managers that players would least want to play for in an anonymous 2025 poll conducted by The Athletic. In the survey, he tied for the most votes with Bud Black of the Colorado Rockies.”
And here’s another one…”According to 1TD, Oliver Marmol’s legacy will be as the worst manager in the history of the St. Louis, Cardinals”…
And here’s another one…”According to 1TD, Oliver Marmol will never, ever be situated on the top step of a Big League dugout after he is fired from his position as manager of the St. Louis, Cardinals”…
So to summarize, you put more weight on an anonymous survey from players not on the Cardinals than on direct quotes from multiple actual Cardinal players.
When one’s mind is already made up, nothing else matters.
Yeah, because direct quotes that are made public from actual Cardinal players on his abilities and character are always going to be positive quotes when the player knows that he’s going to be publicly named. No current or former Cardinal player who possesses even a modicum of tact and grace is going to publicly state, “Yeah, he’s lousy and I wouldn’t want to play for the guy”…It’s my view that many current and former Cardinals who played for him, not only view him as a lousy manager, but also judge his character to be highly suspect or, at the very least, marginal. And those players are entirely willing to voice that view so long as they aren’t named. I’m entirely certain that he has a lousy reputation among many players around the league and that’s one of the many reasons that he’ll never again manage a Big League baseball team when he’s sent packing from StL.
Why would a former Cardinal player care if he is quoted about how poor of a manager Marmol is? He won’t be playing for him. I would think that if he is such a bad manager, there would be some more talk of that from players. I somewhat discount an anonymous poll. At this point, I can’t tell you who took the poll or where it was published.
I think Marmol was an easy choice in an anonymous poll. He’s a newer manager. He’s the youngest manager in the league. He called out O’Neil publicly on a questionable play trying to protect his 3rd base coach. Although let’s be fair, there were lots of times O’Neil wasn’t fully hustling even if this instance was far more questionable. He was involved in the catcher gate thing, but again, he really was trying to protect his pitchers who were complaining. He could have handled both of those better, but I give him some credit for trying to protect his other players and coaches. He also had the big spat with an umpire who most everyone can’t stand. Basically, he’s an easy target.
But if the players didn’t like him or the coaching staff didn’t like him, he would have been let go for philosophical differences the way Schildt was. Instead, he was extended.
“Why would a former Cardinal player care?” He would care simply because he possessed a bit of moral character and integrity. I suppose the argument could be made that those traits have become rare, but as strange as it may sound, I continue to believe that there are still people who care.
jnevel said:
But if the players didn’t like him or the coaching staff didn’t like him, he would have been let go…
Correct.
Hernandez and Templeton didn’t “like” Herzog and Whitey wasn’t let go…Rolen, Kline and, I’m sure quite a few others, didn’t “like” TLR and Tony wasn’t let go. If you win baseball games, it makes no difference whatsoever if the players like you or not. What matters is if they respect you enough to not pack it in and quit. It’s a winning contest as opposed to a popularity contest. The current Redbird manager will never place anywhere near the top of any winning contests in the Big Leagues.
I humbly submit that ‘Fire the manager!’ has been a rallying cry among disappointed fans since the first game that was ever played. My grandfather, my mother’s father, lived with our family when I was a kid. I distinctly remember him getting furious and even turning red in the face when then manager Red Schoendist would not take a pitcher who was getting shelled out of the game. Anecdotally, I’ll say that early in his life he was a shoemaker working for International Shoe Company (or maybe Brown shoe company) and since the shoemakers were all working piece work anyway, a group of them would occasionally take the afternoon off from work and walk west from downtown to Sportsman’s Park for a Cardinals game. According to all reports, the group was well behaved in spite of the constant cries from beer vendors within the Park.
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