November 18, 2019 at 7:23 pm #114731
Does anyone like the Astros?
If the Astros front office had not been so cavalier about firing professional scouts, many of whom were treated with disdain, they wouldn't have many of them so willing to provide details of what they perceived as an organization arrogance, at all costs
— Peter Gammons (@pgammo) November 18, 2019November 18, 2019 at 7:59 pm #114734GameCardParticipantPaid - Monthly
I would think the Astros have pissed off a lot of people off across MLB.November 18, 2019 at 9:26 pm #114736
"Video monitors" were part of MLB's strengthened policy this season to prohibit electronic sign stealing. Those who worked inside Minute Maid Park were instructed specifically to listen for banging sounds in the Astros dugout – https://t.co/rGHk1BRNv2
— Chandler Rome (@Chandler_Rome) November 19, 2019November 19, 2019 at 7:36 am #114741November 19, 2019 at 9:35 am #114755gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
Lunhow is now the number one villain in MLB and I would say well deserved.November 20, 2019 at 7:08 am #115124
Manfred was quoted yesterday as saying that he believes the sign stealing is a one-team issue. Many reasonable people without bias do not believe that.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) November 20, 2019November 20, 2019 at 1:08 pm #115140November 21, 2019 at 2:56 pm #1152661982 willieParticipantFree
if they cheated, they should be banned from post season for two years at minimum and all people associated with it should be fired or heavily suspended. just look at what baseball has done to the steroid guys. the teams shouldn’t be any different.November 21, 2019 at 3:02 pm #115269
Manfred was quoted today as saying that they will be looking into 2018 and 2019 along with 2017.November 21, 2019 at 5:04 pm #115284CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
I am not sure how you investigate other teams without even an accusation let alone any proof.November 27, 2019 at 2:44 pm #115722
Latest accusations are that the Astros used flashing lights in the outfield during the 2019 ALCS.November 28, 2019 at 3:23 pm #115761PugsleyAddamsParticipantPaid - Annual
The only thing better than Luhnow & Co. finding themselves embroiled in this royal mess would have been Theo & Co. feeling this sort of embarrassment and pain. Could you imagine thd joy of seeing the cubbies lose their ’16 title and having it awarded to the great city of Cleveland? I would definitely make the trek east to enjoy that joyous World Series parade along the banks of the great Cuyahoga River. And it being over 3 years after the fact would do little to quell the enthusiasm of the event. If these Astros are found guilty of perpetrating these heinous infractions during the ’17 Fall Classic, then the Commissioner’s Trophy from that year should be relocated to LA. I generally do not relish seeing others in deep hot water up to their chins, but following this Sign SwipeGate fiasco is going to be just what the doctor ordered as far as getting me through the long winter without baseball. Also, what is going to be real interesting to see next year, is just how much offensive production will Houston players lose, without having their little friends tipping them off as to what kind of pitch is heading their way? Lost in all of this is how much the Houston Astro diehard fans are suffering right now. We Cardinal fans know all too well the utter misery and torment it is to suffer a World Series defeat. But sprinkle in this scandal along with it and Houston fans have to be on the verge of whacking the closest trash can around …..or even worse.November 29, 2019 at 12:26 pm #115778gscottarParticipantPaid - Annual
If all of these accusations turn out to be true I suspect the ramifications are going to be massive. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Mr. Lunhow and Mr. Hinch at home suspended on opening day.December 7, 2019 at 1:46 pm #116186CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
Why in the press and on msg boards is there speculation of punishment for Astros coaches who may have been involved but nothing regarding possible punishment for players? There is no doubt they knew. They can tell you what coaches were involved. Correa’s lifetime suspension was for failing to cooperate in the investigation. Can players be held to that standard?December 7, 2019 at 4:14 pm #116191
Good questions. One thing for sure, this Houston mess cannot be pinned on one person who engaged in “roguish behavior”.December 7, 2019 at 6:06 pm #116193BlackHillsCardParticipantFreeDecember 7, 2019 at 7:02 pm #116194
Thanks for sharing the link. The author obviously knows a lot about McKinsey and does not like them or the Astros. On the other hand, I am struggling to see any connection to sign-stealing. Even the contraction proposal link offered is just speculation.December 7, 2019 at 7:06 pm #116195
The author of this article from The Athletic talked to nine opposing pitchers whose jobs may have been affected by the sign stealing.December 8, 2019 at 7:21 am #116202Minuteman3ParticipantFree
The Athletic article looked interesting until I got to the part where you needed to subscribe to read it.December 8, 2019 at 7:30 am #116203Minuteman3ParticipantFree
This cheating thing brings back memories of the old days in NASCAR when a mechanic named Smokey Yunick who was noted for devising a myriad of ways to cheat was found to have a non-regulation gas tank in his car during pre-race inspection. NASCAR confiscated the tank and released the car to supposedly be pushed back to the garage. Yunick just jumped in, started the engine and drove it back to the consternation of NASCAR officials.
I have a feeling that maybe I should pay more attention to this Astros cheating scandal that is unfolding. After all it beats reading the posts of MLB scribblers who daily try to invent new ways of lining up various numbers of guesses about wacky baseball things. Maybe this winter won’t be so boring after all eh Astros?December 8, 2019 at 8:04 am #116211
MM3, I guess I could have noted that it is a subscription article, but I figured by now that everyone knows The Athletic is a subscription site.
Whether or not you subscribe there (or anywhere else) is your choice, of course, but nothing is free.December 8, 2019 at 10:22 am #116215mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
I really like The Athletic because of articles like this. This writer did an excellent job of researching this aspect of the sign stealing scandal and informing readers of what he found. I thought the quotes by pitchers who were affected were in themselves revealing.December 11, 2019 at 2:49 pm #116493
Manfred on Investigation of Astros: “I think this is probably the most thorough investigation the Commissioner’s Office has ever undertaken.” Says they’ve interviewed 60 witnesses, gone thru 76,000 emails and “a whole trove of instant messages.” No timetable.
— Scott Miller (@ScottMillerBbl) December 11, 2019December 14, 2019 at 1:46 pm #116794December 14, 2019 at 3:48 pm #1167951964cardsParticipantPaid - Annual
Commentators on MLB Radio were discussing the Astros case and the Commissioner’s comments. It sounds as if MLB is digging deep and finding dirt. One commentator expects penalties to be harsh on management. The manager could receive penalties similar to what the NFL gave to Sean Peyton.
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