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From Ken Rosenthal:
“There is much to recommend about Hosmer. He’s only 28. He’s athletic, a leader, a World Series and World Baseball Classic champion. His offensive profile, however, is not necessarily one of an elite player.”
My comment: He seems to be stretching to look for good things to say.
From Dan O’Dowd, former Rockies GM, on 101 Radio:
“I’m a big Eric Hosmer guy… I think there’s still upside there. He’s a winning player. I think the #STLCards need to add a player who brings a fiery edge to their roster on a daily basis. Hosmer would do that.”
My comment: Pham is plenty fiery. How much fire is destructive?
Mudville – MLBTR had Hosmer at 6yr/$132M, Heyman had him at “Expert: $165M/7 years. Me: $160M/7 years”
I’ve never seen a prediction anywhere near $60-80M.
Here’s my reference:
https://www.royalsreview.com/2017/11/15/16646392/royals-free-agents-how-much-will-eric-hosmer-getI didn’t look any further, probably because I’m just not a big Hosmer fan, so this is about what I think would be reasonable for him. To me a first baseman that’s going to get the big bucks should be a bonafide superstar that hits 30-40 HR with excellent defense like Votto or Goldschmidt. Not saying Hosmer is mediocre, but I don’t see him as a $147M dollar player either.
Rick Hummell said he was familiar with a Twitter report that the Cards offered Hosmer 5/120 during his chat today.
The “source” of the 5/120 Hosmer rumor is a self-proclaimed sports fan from Chicago named Jeremy N. Rodriguez. He has 500 Twitter followers and does not appear even slightly credible to me.
When pushed, he said his “source” was MLB Network. Funny, because no one else seems to have seen it mentioned on national TV. Read this guy’s tweets if you care.
https://twitter.com/JNRTheSportsFan
That does not stop aspiring “journalists” from re-tweeting it, spreading the BS while covering their own rear ends. This is why I hate this time of year.
Matt Vasgersian of MLB Network tells Jim Hayes in a podcast that he thinks Hosmer will end up with the Cardinals.
https://insidestl.com/the-cat-chat-podcast-ep-12-matt-vasgersian/2012155
That’s the less than perfect left handed bat I think would be a nice compliment to Ozuna. He is only 28 and will only cost money. I know he is not an elite player not even close but he is what we need. Will be saving the money to sign who next year? I doubt it will happen. But Hosmer and Ozuna is better than Ozuna alone. I may be wrong but I think it is time to take a risk.
Yeah after listening to the owner and the “GM” Hosmer is not coming to STL nor is anybody else who can help this team get to the post season
Onyx, I won’t copy the post here, but check out the DeWitt quote I put on the RUMORS thread. He said they could still do more. There are something like 135 free agents still without contracts.
If he said that he expects the Cardinals to be major players in the remaining offseason and they can’t make something happen, many would say that he was lying again.
I understand the frustration. However, he can’t make other teams trade with the Cardinals. He can’t make free agents sign with the team. All the Cardinals can do is set their own value system for players and stick to it or possibly overpay. It is very easy to sit at my computer and tell him how to spend his money and assets but he is the one who has to keep the team competitive for now and the future. So far, under his ownership, the Cardinals have enjoyed some of the best times of its entire history. I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt, for now. I also expect that if the current team doesn’t get off to a good start, the Cardinals must make a move to shore up their weaknesses.
I see a team and farm system positioned to return to elite status within a short period of time.
Why 3rd place and not 2nd place? I feel like we’ve clearly improved, while the Brewers (who were lucky to begin with) haven’t done much of anything. Their prospects will start making an impact more in 2019.
can you stop spamming that link in every thread Gscott?
also…
Pads I agreeI think the Cards and Cubs are close as of today…until the cubs go out and get an Ace level SP
I think the Brews and Reds are closer than the Cards and BRewers…Brewers IMO overperformed a lot last year…pair with underperforming Cardinals and boom 2nd place for them…they add a top end SP and that changes..Cardinasl were in the race for 1st and 2nd going into the last week and weekend last year…
I think the Reds are one good SP away from a challenging team for 2nd…they seem to have identified their young starters they want to put in the rotation….the back end of the bullpen is solid…though another arm would help…and their offense is pretty amazing…and they still have young high quality hitters about ready…a “good” year out of Bailey and a full year out of Desclefani and that rotation isnt hard to like…CAstillo, Stephenson, Garrett, MAhle all very nice…FInnegan, Rookie Davis, Romano arent bad fillers either
the Bucs…seem like they are selling but have good young players..
I never could understand how signing Hosmer would make sense because of the obvious question of ‘What, then, do we do with Matt carpenter?’ It seems that anything gained by having Hosmer at first base would be offset by having Carpenter at third base. And for that our ‘payroll flexibility’ would go down by $20M/yr.
What we could use the most would be an upgrade at third base although Gyorko is far from being a liability there. Rentals don’t make much sense. I don’t want Moustakas unless somebody can explain how he was able to hit 38 HR’s in 2017 when he never hit more than 22 HR’s in any season before that. So what is the explanation?
1. Does he lack the ability to motivate himself except when its a walk year?
2. Juiced ball accounted for an additional 16 HR’s above his highest total?
3. Changed his swing?
4. PED’s?
5. Stopped eating junk food?
6. Hot new girlfriend?
There has to be an explanation. I wouldn’t want to take a chance on him unless I knew what happened.Also, I want to say that I agree with forsch31 completely.
Well mudville you have nothing to worry about the front office agrees with you and forsch31. I rather have Ozuna & Hosmer for the next few years. As far as Carp he is 32 he has shown at times his durability during the season can be less than a 100%. I would trade him because he has a better chance at a longer career as DH. But they won’t he is part of the core and they count on him on having a few more good years. We will see. 2018 will answer many questions looking forward to those answers.
I’d be okay with signing Hosmer and trading Carpenter. Its hard to imagine that happening, though. Besides, after listening to what he had to say at WWU, I have a feeling he’s going to surprise some people this year. He sounds enthusiastic and healthy.
The Cards and Cubs are close if you’re talking 5-6 games. They have a strong Bullpen and it appears on paper a better rotation. They’ve got elite hitters in 2-3 positions. They may as well add another arm for the rotation. So if you think we’re close then yeah we a little closer then last season.
WC hopes are what were holding on to. Forget the division without a closer. You’ll see it by May 1st.
Onyx, I won’t copy the post here, but check out the DeWitt quote I put on the RUMORS thread. He said they could still do more. There are something like 135 free agents still without contracts.
Haha! Yeah he can say that all day but Bowtie and his numbers geeks will likely find some injury risk in all of them like they did guys like Nicasio and Reed. Play the kids they’ll say at some point.
135 FA left. They’ll not be in play for one of the big boys and all of the closer or 8th inning guys I’d look at as closers are off the Board. Holland is still there but if you didn’t think any of the others were worth it then why go to him unless the price is right. it’s the Bowtie-Mozeliak way.
Everyone quoting these WAR figures for Moustakas are clearly not looking into it all that much.
Moustakas has been above-average defensively every year of his career, except last year. If you’ve ever seen him play, you would not think he is a below-average defender by any means, which his career numbers bear out.
Saying that Gyorko is his equivalent is crazy to me. Not only that, but we could theoretically keep Gyorko and still get him 400 PAs or so.
Moustakas hit .272 with 38 homeruns last year and I personally feel that his defensive numbers were an anomaly.
Now, I wouldn’t want to pay 5yr-$85M or whatever to sign him, but at 3yr/$39M, like Bruce got, that is worth it.
As you suggested Pads the market for Moustakas would have to almost crater before he makes sense for us. If we did land him I would advocate trading Gyroko for more bullpen help.
As for Hosmer I’m thinking if he really wanted to go to the Padres he would have already accepted their offer by now. Teams like the Cardinals and Red Sox are probably still lurking in the background hoping his price drops but my bet is that he goes back to the Royals.
Oh definitely on Moustakas.
One of the national writers said he’d be lucky to get Bruce money. At that point he makes sense for us. I don’t feel like he is all that much better than Gyorko, likely even, but I think he will be more reliable and has played full seasons at 3B. He fits our lineup better too (LH power bat)
Im not ab ig fan of Moose, but most of that comes from the pricetag associated and my worry on him stringing together healthy years and productive years…feel really streaky..
however…at 3yrs 40m… i’d definitely be interested and be willing to move players around to make it work
Saw this lineup on MLB Network, speculating what it would look like with Hosmer’s LH bat.
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