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  • #45270
    Avatar858booyah
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    Unless he waits to sign until after the draft or Lynn signs with us. We’re getting some sort of compensation.

    “If the team was not a revenue sharing recipient or the free agent signed for less than $50MM guaranteed, the team will receive a compensatory pick after Competitive Balance Round B, which takes place just prior to the draft’s third round.”

    #45274
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    booyah is correct.

    My bet is that Boras wanted Moose to hold out, but he wanted to play. Hence, he signed.

    #45275
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Fangraphs takes aim at Boras.

    Why Mike Moustakas’ Market Didn’t Develop

    #45282
    BlackHillsCardBlackHillsCard
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    When is the deadline for setting the Draft? Is is the day of the draft? Just curious because Cobb, Arrieta, Lynn, and Holland are still left who got QOs and the draft can’t really get set until they sign.

    We’ve never had to have these discussions before so I don’t know what the contingencies would be.

    #45292
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    I believe it is when the draft opens, June 4.

    #45295
    Avatargscottar
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    What a strange offseason. Moustakas turns down $17M then ends up signing for $6M.

    He is making less than Miles Mikolas this year.

    #45354
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    The plot thickens…

    #45357
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    Lets not forget that $6M is still a lot of money. Most people would be set for life if they could collect six million dollars in one year.

    #45390
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    Yes but in MLB terms $6M isn’t that much anymore for a proven player like Moose in their prime.

    I’ve never understood why people complain about the money baseball players make but don’t complain about other entertainers. A movie star could make $30M for a big hit movie and no one will say a word about it. Yes the world would be better if school teachers and police officers made more money than entertainers but the market is what it is.

    #45399
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    Another version of the Moustakas saga…

    https://twitter.com/BNightengale/status/972553439623356416

    #45401
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    You can bet your paycheck the Nightengale version came straight from Boras’ lips.

    #45403
    BlackHillsCardBlackHillsCard
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    This was just bad advice from Boras. The market for corner infielders was thin this offseason and him telling Moose to pass up the QO was bad advice.

    #45510
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    You can bet your paycheck the Nightengale version came straight from Boras’ lips.

    I take it you are not a Boras fan.

    #58496
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Ken Rosenthal reports the Cards have renewed interest in Moustakas. (Athletic subscription required.)

    https://theathletic.com/413375/2018/06/29/rosenthal-cards-have-renewed-interest-in-moustakas-are-as-buyers-or-sellers-red-sox-yanks-rivalry-more-notes/

    (Sorry for the late reply, gscottar. My only point on the (much) earlier comment, is that everything Boras says is designed to be in his clients’ (and therefore, his own) best interests. I just never lose sight of that.)

    #58501
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    not sure why we have interest in him now he isn’t hitting at all lately.

    #58512
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    Brian, I have figured out over time that the national writers usually have relationships built with agents and front offices, which is why they usually have the trade gossip and scoops first (although yes there can be agendas involved), but if you really want to deep dive into what is going on with a particular team it is best to get info from the local writers.

    #74053
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Bumping this thread.

    #74057
    stlcard25stlcard25
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    Moustakas would be a big downgrade for this team. Hard, hard pass for me.

    #74068
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    In a podcast at ScoopsWithDannyMac.com posted tonight, Jon Paul Morosi said he sees Moustakas as a better fit for St. Louis than Donaldson. He also likes Michael Brantley, calling him a “perfect fit” for the Cards if Harper is too expensive.

    #74071
    AvatarBob Reed
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    Speaking of Moustakas, let’s do a side-by-side comparison between Moose and a Mystery Man. This will only include the years 2016-18.

    Moose 1,346 plate appearances
    Mys 1,321 plate appearances

    Moose .260 average and a 109 wRC+
    Mys .259 average and a 111 wRC+

    Moose turned 30 on September 11 (yeah, I know, happy birthday, ugh)
    Mys turned 30 on September 23

    Assuming they are roughly equal defensively and on the bases, is there any reason anyone can see why a team with either of these guys would go out of their way to acquire the other one? They could not be more alike, really. One hits lefty and one righty but who the heck cares? They’re the same guy.

    And yes, the mystery man is Jedd Gyorko. But I’m sure you already guessed that. Jedd’s solid, he’s fine, and he can even play second base and fake it at shortstop in a pinch. Moustakas is just an overrated slugger with a championship ring. He is no upgrade whatever.

    I’m not completely opposed to Josh Donaldson though, not at all. He has a recent history of greatness on his side. As recently as 2017 in fact. (Moustakas on the other hand has never been great, ever.) With Donaldson on board for two years and Gyorko as superutility man, the infield could be terrific if J.D. were to get 2/3 of the way back to his 2017 hitting.

    Then Elehuris Montero takes over the hot corner on Opening Day 2021. Or maybe even Gorman, if he’s as much of a phenom as he looked this year. (But better to give him at least a bit more time than that.)

    #74075
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    Can Brantley play RF?

    #74079
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    Yes Brantley can play RF. He could potentially be a nice upgrade over Fowler but the big knock on him is can he stay on the field?

    As for Moose, he isn’t a star but I would consider him an upgrade over Jedd. He has more power, he is more reliable, and he bats LH. Donaldson would be better but again that nagging health issue.

    #74081
    stlcard25stlcard25
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    I can’t imagine Moustakas being silly enough to wait out the field again and get stuck on a low ball one year deal. If he makes less than Gyorko I suppose that’s a very minor upgrade but on a multi year deal and at $10+ million a year he’s a downgrade. And it’s not like he’s iron man. He played a mere 27 games just two years ago.

    #74095
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    Has Gyorko played a full season since coming to the Cards? I think not.Gyorko is best as a utility guy IMHO.Saying he is a good defensive 3B is laughable.He has the mobility of a statue.He is fine if the ball is hit right at him.He should be a complimentary player not a maqin guy.As for Moose I have mixed opinions….I like the LH pop but …….?

    #74096
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    A big HELL NO on Brantley.No way.If Cards fail on Harper then I say go big on run prevention.Sign Jose Iglesias for SS and put DeJong at 3B.Upgrade bullpen from both sides and consider Kuechel for rotation.

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