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November 6, 2018 at 10:12 am #74097
Brantley had a nice 2018 but the two seasons prior to that were a disaster. His health is still a red flag for me. A guy like Markakis could give you similar numbers than Brantley and he never gets hurt. He is older but he is an iron man. A robot that you wind up and he plays 162 games.
November 18, 2018 at 8:41 am #74528I think Moustakas checks more boxes than most free agents not named Harper or Miller to me. In fact, they should have done it last year. I don’t understand any close comparison between Gyrko and Moose. Health wise Jedd averaged 126 games the last 2 year with 15 homers, 57 rbis, Moose averaged 33 homers and 90 rbis. Moose has had 6 of 7 seasons where he nearly played the whole year. Gyrko, possibly because of his thick body type, seems to get hamstring and groin injuries which really derailed his end of the 2017 season.
And I not saying this is all they should do. Obviously more is needed, but it would be a good start.
November 18, 2018 at 1:49 pm #74551Moose would be a slight upgrade but should be a Plan C or Plan D. Personally I would rather sign Daniel Murphy for 1B than sign Moose for 3B.
November 19, 2018 at 5:42 pm #74635wagee12
ParticipantLOL, two journey men and probably close to being over the hill. Yawn. Please can we get someone who might actually generate a smidgen of excitement.
November 20, 2018 at 9:52 am #74686Moose at 3b or Murphy at 1b as a secondary move to a bigger upgrade in the OF would be fine, but alone are big yawns for me
November 20, 2018 at 10:00 am #74691Nobody said they would be the ONLY moves. I highly doubt we are going to sign Harper or Machado, therefore, we will need multiple upgrades on a smaller scale. Guys like Moose, Murphy, Cargo, Markakis, etc… would qualify as such.
Donaldson would be on a little higher scale than those guys.
Goldschmidt would be on a much higher scale. You are talking MVP votes once you get to Goldy’s level.
November 20, 2018 at 2:27 pm #74733wagee12
ParticipantGoldschmidt yes. Donaldson, no way. BTW, Murphy is intriguing, guy can hit a blackbird at midnight under heavy cloud cover.
November 26, 2018 at 8:32 pm #75136#STLCards have Mike Moustakas on radar. The difference this year: no draft choice attachment. Rival Brewers, Moose’s most recent team, among others with possible interest.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) November 27, 2018
November 26, 2018 at 9:28 pm #75138
stlcard25ParticipantDisgusting. If Moustakas is on this team next year, I hope they sell and tear it down. If it’s a one year, $5-7 million deal it might not be as sickening but multiple years have a significant Fowler possibility attached. He is not an upgrade. I’d rather just play Wisdom.
November 26, 2018 at 9:43 pm #75139Moose + Harper
Then use farm and others for lefty bullpen help
Seems a fine plan
Moose doesn’t do anything for us alone outside of making our bench better with glorious in the backup corner infield position and giving us another lefty in the lineup with good defense
But as a part of Harper plus Moose. That really makes our lineup balanced and feared. Also helps bench and defense.
Money for hitters kids for proven and not injury ridden FA lefty help is a good plan.
I’d probably prefer swapping Fowler for Seager even with the extra year of Seager. It at least it moves Fowler and balances the ledger a little.
Nevertheless. Moose for 2yrs with 3yr team option would be fine as long as it’s a secondary move not a keystone answer to our MOTB need
November 27, 2018 at 10:12 am #75188How does Seager improve over Gyorko? If it is only to get a left handed hitter, then it is a poor reason. If it is only to get rid of Fowler, then you are taking on additional salary every year for almost nothing in return. The only thing about Seager is he plays every day.
November 27, 2018 at 10:17 am #75189According to the SABR Defensive Index for 2018, Seager was the #6-ranked AL third baseman at 2.0. That was just behind Moustakas at 2.2.
November 27, 2018 at 11:47 am #75195I would want no part of Seager. Paying him for four years seems frightening.
I’m not overly excited about Moose either, but as has been pointed out, if he is just a complimentary move that is fine. If he is the main acquisition of the winter then we are in trouble.
February 14, 2019 at 6:04 pm #81883I have never heard of Bill Michaels but he has a blue verified checkmark and 20,000 followers.
Regarding his rumor, why would the Cardinals add Moose now that they have Goldy? Crazy talk!
I hear Moustakas is looking for a 3-year minimum deal for about 28-35 million.
Padres and Cardinals interested but everyone's waiting for Manny to sign first to set a new bar.— Bill Michaels (@Bill_Michaels) February 14, 2019
February 14, 2019 at 7:37 pm #81885Only scenario that makes sense to me is that Carpenter then goes to 2ndbase and Wong is the odd man out.
I don’t know about the rest of you folks but I am expecting good things from Wong in 2019.
r/Rat
February 14, 2019 at 8:48 pm #81888
stlcard25ParticipantJust say no to Moustakas. Just…no.
February 14, 2019 at 8:53 pm #81891Hard to believe that The Moose is still loose. He’s going to make some lucky club very very happy. I’m not only bullish on The Moose, but also Bill Michaels to boot……and also with your Kolten Wong having a banner year, Rat! Lace em up!
February 15, 2019 at 6:34 am #81895Moose would be an expensive hedge against Carpenter not being worth his $18.5 million extension at the end of the year. However, given the pipeline it seems a 3 year deal seems unlikely unless they are bearish on Montero sticking at 3rd.
February 15, 2019 at 8:14 am #81906They could sign Moose and trade Gyorko?? It would be a great hedge against injury, but there still aren’t enough chairs for the dance, and I DO NOT want to see Carp at 2nd. This seems very unlikely.
February 15, 2019 at 9:14 am #81909Signing Moose at this point would make zero sense. Color me confused.
February 17, 2019 at 4:20 pm #82095Moustakas goes back to the Brew Crew on a 1-year deal worth $9 million.
February 17, 2019 at 5:08 pm #82103What to go, Bill Michaels. Other than the years and teams, you had it nailed!
February 17, 2019 at 6:33 pm #82120Moustakas deal with brewers will be for $10M and will likely include mutual option @BNightengale on the 10M
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) February 17, 2019
February 17, 2019 at 6:39 pm #82122So Moose has costs himself roughly $16 million over the course of back-to-back offseasons.
OUCH!
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