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December 2, 2023 at 9:05 pm #238802
21. Baez
22. Edwin Nunez
23. PagesDecember 2, 2023 at 11:29 pm #238803LouisEu
Participant21 Rom
22 Prieto
23 RedmondDecember 3, 2023 at 2:24 am #23880421. Mendlinger
22. Rom
23. BaezI’d forgotten how young Josh Baez is, until I glanced again at his Baseball-Reference page. In fact if he were merely one week younger, in “baseball years” he’d have been a teenager playing at Palm Beach. Quite the challenge, that.
I hate when prospects fan a lot, and that certainly describes Baez (194 K’s in just 146 games). But he’s a polished base stealer already — 45 of 51 — and a solid defender by reputation. So cutting down on the strikeouts might be the only truly significant change he needs to make, going forward.
December 3, 2023 at 5:10 am #238806Bob, speed doesn’t do any good if you can’t get on base, and Baez was terrible with the stick. His numbers were propped up by a lot of walks. Pitchers throw more strikes once he gets out of A ball, so he will be in big trouble. As far as I can tell, he is still riding on 2nd round hype after 3 years in pro ball.
I can’t decide whether he would be better served doing a third year at PB, so that his age catches up to his level, or moving up to AA where his terrible batting eye might be less of a problem with pitches being over the plate more. AA pitching may not be sophisticated enough to just let him get himself out.
December 3, 2023 at 8:00 am #238810bccran
Participant21. Granillo
22. Pages
23. PrietoDecember 3, 2023 at 8:29 am #23881121. Pages
22. Rom
23. LevensonDecember 3, 2023 at 12:28 pm #238823PadsFS
Participant#21 – Drew Rom
#22 – Pedro Pages
#23 – Joshua BaezDecember 3, 2023 at 12:52 pm #23882714NyquisT
Participant#21 – Mathews
#22 – ENunez
#23 – Dunn
December 3, 2023 at 1:03 pm #238829#21 Andre Granillo
#22 Cesar Prieto
#23 Edwin NunezDecember 3, 2023 at 1:04 pm #23883021- Noah Bingham Mendlinger
22- Drew Michael “CD” Rom
23- Pedro Armando Pages Ruiz
Muchos gracious esteemedio, Senor Nevel.
December 3, 2023 at 2:32 pm #23883421 Cornwall
22 Levenson
23 BaezDecember 3, 2023 at 3:58 pm #238838
cardsfan64Participant#21 – Cesar Prieto
#22 – Drew Rom
#23 – Edwin NunezDecember 3, 2023 at 3:58 pm #23883921 Baez
22 Rom
23 PagesIasdernia should not be overlooked. Levenson sure did hit, too.
December 3, 2023 at 8:23 pm #238855
stlcard25Participant21. Pedro Pages (very underrated for a guy who probably is a backup C at the big league level at worst).
22. Drew Rom (think he’s a bullpen piece for a few years for us)
23. Joshua Baez (for the upside).
December 3, 2023 at 8:37 pm #238857Baez strikes out too much, but that is what happens when you hit in deep counts. Since batting averages are so low with two strikes, I wonder if more Cardinals will follow Holiday’s approach implemented with Cody Bellinger where strike outs drop dramatically while hard hit rate collapses because the hitter is slapping the other way with two strikes?
Can a young player even advance without analytics favoring him?December 4, 2023 at 12:21 am #23886021 Pages
22 Antico
23 BaezDecember 4, 2023 at 5:11 am #238863I wonder if more Cardinals will follow Holiday’s approach implemented with Cody Bellinger where strike outs drop dramatically while hard hit rate collapses because the hitter is slapping the other way with two strikes?
Can a young player even advance without analytics favoring him?I have seen little evidence that Cardinals batters change their approach with two strikes, or as a tactic in any other situation. Rather, I think they are coached to achieve their optimized swing and to repeat it consistently. Sometimes I wonder if it is in a batter’s best interest to strike out rather than make contact that will negatively impact their average exit velocity, no matter how desperatly the team just needs a runner advanced. The zero exit velocity from a strike out is not part of the avg exit velocity calculation, so the reality of the situation is skewed.
December 4, 2023 at 8:38 am #238871Rom 20 / Pages 20 / Baez 12 / Prieto 11 / Granillo 10 / Nunez 6 / Mendlinger 6 / Mathews 5 / Levenson 5 / Cornwell 3 / Antico 2 / Redmond 1 / Dunn 1
Rom gets the tiebreaker to win as #21. Pages will be #22 and Baez #23. Rom ends up much higher than I thought he’d end up, but he’s been in our list since early on. This time almost everyone voted for him. Pages also got a lot of votes and Baez just snuck in ahead of Prieto and Granillo.
1. Winn
2. Saggese
3. Hence
4. Roby
5. Scott
6. Hjerpe
7. Graceffo
8. McGreevey
9. Davis
10. Bernal
11. Rajcic
12. Robberse
13. Cho
14. Kloffenstein
15. Crooks
16. Showalter
17. Hansen
18. Bedell
19. Mautz
20. Honeyman
21. Rom
22. Pages
23. BaezIt’s interesting to me that Mejia and Baez were often paired last year as two very high ceiling prospects who might bust. Neither had all that great of a season, although Baez’ was a bit better. And Mejia has zero votes so far, yet Baez just pushed his way in. Just an observation.
This next round is my last one leading the conversation. I’m happy to turn over the 2nd half of voting over to cardsfan64. I’ll start this round and tally it up and then launch the next round and then cardsfan64 has it. I hope that’s still ok?
#24 Granillo
#25 Levenson
#26 MathewsDecember 4, 2023 at 8:47 am #238872#25 – Levenson
#26 – Mathews
#27 – PrietoDecember 4, 2023 at 10:10 am #23888014NyquisT
Participant#25 – Mathews
#26 – ENunez
#27 – Dunn
December 4, 2023 at 10:19 am #23888124. Prieto
25. Nunez
26. MathewsDecember 4, 2023 at 10:19 am #238882
cardsfan64ParticipantAll good, JNEVEL! I will follow along with your calculations to make sure I follow the correct scorekeeping this time and take it up to 50 after that! I plan to keep the voting to three at a time unless there would be a need to change it up. Thanks for getting everything going this year!
December 4, 2023 at 10:38 am #238887
cardsfan64Participant#24 – Cesar Prieto
#25 – Quinn Matthews
#26 – Edwin NunezMatthews numbers look really good! I hope we don’t trade him in the next few days! I would like to see how he develops.
December 4, 2023 at 10:39 am #238888
stlcard25Participant24. Andre Granillo. “Granny,” as he’s affectionately and ironically known, has been groomed to become the next bullpen success story from the system.
25. Mike Antico. Something just tells me that this guy finds his way onto an MLB roster for several years. Maybe the new rules will aid these types (80 baserunnig, 60 field, 40 hit, 30 power) to make it more. He did show a little more pop this year but I wouldn’t bet on it continuing.
26. Cesar Prieto. Maybe squeezes in as a utility guy some day but we have a lot of those types in the hopper ahead of him.
December 4, 2023 at 11:23 am #238898#24 Andre Granillo
#25 Cesar Prieto
#26 Edwin Nunez -
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