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  • #121489
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Put rankings aside. Jones was invited to big-league camp in 2019. In 2020, he is not – despite the fact the Cards increased camp size considerably. What does that tell you?

    As I have said many times, the organization’s own actions can speak loudly if you are listening.

    P.S. Jones is healthy. He was at instructional camp last month, so they have not given up on him.

    #121492
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    Jones was a second round draft pick out of the University of Virginia in 2016. His season that year at UVA was outstanding, with an 11-1 record and an ERA of 2.34. But looking beyond that, he only had
    72 Ks in 103 2/3 innings, and 38 walks. Maybe he simple wasn’t good enough to be drafted that high?

    #121495
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Well, the Cardinals paid Jones approaching $200K above slot to get him to sign, so the scouts obviously liked him. His sinker still sinks, but he can’t throw enough strikes.

    P.S. Overall, the 2016 draft was good – with Carlson, Hudson, Gallen, Edman and Knizner. However, only one of that five got over slot money (Hudson). Here are the three players who received the most extra money that year – Brady Whalen, Jones and Jeremy Martinez (already released). My conclusion is that the “stretches” did not work out as well as the “safer” picks.

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    I am thinking that the University of Virginia, where Jones was drafted from had an unusual technique mechanics wise that from most pro coaches felt that they had to be retaught/unlearned once they were drafted. I wish I could find the article that mentioned it. Also, has Virginia had much success once there players went pro? I don’t recall many star pitchers from there, but don’t watch college games enough.

    #121498
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    There is nothing wrong with Jones’ velocity. He threw 94-96 and perhaps higher. But given his lack of success, and a large contingent of relievers at AA/AAA, it would appear he will be back Springfield without a very good ST.

    #121499
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    C27, you must turn the sound down when you watch Cardinals games. At least once every telecast, Ricky Horton slips in a UVA reference. 😉

    On the other point… not to mention the fact that there are more than enough pitchers in big-league camp to fill the Memphis staff.

    #121521
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    I usually watch games only. The folks on tv aren’t worth listening to other than Jim Edmonds.

    #121523
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    Jones is a tremendous wildcard. His stuff is very similar to Dakota Hudson.

    #121815
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    Austin Gomber spent most of 2019 injured. He became the lost soul in the Card’s pitching depth chart but there’s the chance that his ’20 season could be his bounce back year. He did well in his playing time with the Cards in ’18 and being LH could be his ticket to the big team this season. He’ll need to be healthy though. Blake Newberry in VEB today has plenty more to say about Gomber:

    https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2020/2/9/21129585/dont-forget-about-austin-gomber

    #121829
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    In the first 10 rounds in ’18 the Cards went with 3-Ps and 8 hitters. In later rounds they got Justo (12th round) and Toerner (28th rd) In ’19 they turned it around picking 7-Ps in the top 10 rounds and 3 hitters. Romeri (12th) is a good sleeper pick and there’s YaSenka (17th) and Redmond (32th).

    Of course there can be other prospects that could surprise.

    If the Cards pick for positions in this year’s draft, they’ll need to look at middle infielders. In ’18 they picked Gil (SS- 3rd round) and Dunn (2B- 5th rd). In ’19 they waited until the 32nd round to select Redmond (2B)… the only other two middle infielders picked were SSs in the 39th and 40th rounds and neither signed on.

    There hasn’t been much help from the International side either.

    This situation will probably haunt the organization for years to come. We have already seen the effects of the lack of middle infielders in 2017 ’18 and ’19.

    I also posted this on the other forum.

    #121833
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Ny said:

    This situation will probably haunt the organization for years to come. We have already seen the effects of the lack of middle infielders in 2017 ’18 and ’19.

    Along with being overly dramatic, what is wrong with the middle infield? That seems one of the team’s strengths and the starters are under contract for some time. Plus Edman emerged in 2019 and Sosa may be ready to contribute, too.

    #121837
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    Middle infield is excellent.

    #122020
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    I find interesting story lines on where prospects start in 2020:

    Do Rondon, Oviedo, Seijas and Roberts start at AA? Seijas may return to Palm Beach with Liberatore and Thompson, although with injuries and a good camp might change that.

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    Kyle Reis who more or less runs “Birds on the Black” is updating his prospect list and will be graduating six of our prospects>>>> Knizner-Helsley-Lane-Sosa-Ravelo-Cabrera.

    https://www.birdsontheblack.com/post/2020-preseason-dirty-thirty-five-the-2020-graduates

    It is a pretty good read as he explains why.

    #122046
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Ny, you posted your same thoughts about middle infield on two different boards the other day, but have not answered any follow-on questions on either board about what you meant. Please clarify. Thanks.

    #122047
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    From Peoria on down to GCL the middle infielders are not much to write home about.

    #122050
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    In the HQ’s top-15 ranking there are a strong bunch of prospects with “debut” year of 2022>>>> Gorman-Liberatore-Herrera-Thompson-Torres-Oviedo. There should be plenty of excitement during spring training in two years.

    #122054
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Ny said:

    From Peoria on down to GCL the middle infielders are not much to write home about.

    OK, but why will that “probably haunt the organization for years to come”?

    #122057
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    If you agree that there will be a large void of middle infielders moving forward from our four lowest affiliates, doesn’t that concern you? It sure is part of the reason that our organization’s ranking is heading south. Its troubling.

    #122061
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    A positional gap in talent at lower levels can easily be filled long before it becomes a problem in the majors. Your assessment of the middle infield situation – in recent seasons, now and in the future especially – makes it appear far more grave than it really is.

    Concern, sure. “Haunting the organization for years to come”? No.

    #122063
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Jonathan Mayo of MLB Pipeline picks Nolan Gorman as the top 100 prospect to strike out most often this coming season.

    #122071
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    If you don’t like our organization depth in the low minors right now, I’ve got some good news for you on what MLB is looking at doing to alleviate some of that issue. 😉

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    #122508
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Pretty much all the teams down through JC have their schedules posted via their official team pages on MiLB.com. The exception is always Palm Beach, which discourages fans from coming to games by never creating a downloadable one-page schedule…

    #122578
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    Let’s look at the middle infielders on all 7 U.S. soil minor league teams.

    Sosa – .291/.317/.783
    Schrock – .275/.373/.745
    Robertson – .231/.346/.711

    Lopez – .262/.340/.776
    Ascanio -.267/.333/.711
    Triunfel – .189/.248/.493

    Dunn – .247/.292/.629
    Perri – .227/.269/.553
    Martinez – .237/.309/.621

    Diaz – .317/.346/.773
    Perez – .269/.329/.654

    Castillo – .249/.331/.646
    Williams – .218/.340/.622
    Benes – .126/.162/.383

    Gil – .262/.317/.736
    Redmond – .287/.382/.935

    Soto – .224/.333/.689
    Mendoza – .284/.388/.790
    Rosario – .207/.282/.575

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