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  • #234301
    mudville
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    It’s been said that a player is what his stats say he is.

    Hudson career MLB stats:
    W-L 38-19
    ERA 3.84
    WHIP 1.38
    AVE .249

    I know. I know. ‘But what has he done for me lately?’

    #234308
    KeepComingBack
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    Does anyone really feel good about Mik?

    #234312
    Brian Walton
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    mud, it is a fair question to compare Hudson’s numbers post-surgery to his pre-surgery results. He doesn’t seem like the same pitcher. Still, as discussed, he is worth keeping.

    #234317
    mudville
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    Maybe it’s not the best comparison…..
    It’s been almost two full seasons for
    Hudson to be able to say ‘I’m back to feeling like my old self.’ (He was quoted as having said that after one of his good starts during the last few weeks.) And the comparison is to Ian Bedell who had his TJ surgery about two full seasons ago and is now TCN’s Pitcher of the Year for AA.

    #234318
    LACardFan
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    Dakota Hudson:

    2022: 4.45 ERA; 1.45 WHIP; .273 AVG; 78K/61BB
    2023: 5.12 ERA; 1.45 WHIP; .269 AVG; 40K/30BB

    #234327
    bccran
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    He’s frustrating. You never know which Hudson is going to show up. The same goes for Mikolas right now.

    #234329
    blingboy
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    He’s frustrating. You never know which Hudson is going to show up.

    Bum shoulder guys are like that. You don’t want a ‘you never know’ guy in the lineup. Its a losing proposition as we have observed all year.

    #234331
    osuagec
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    Anyone else notice Liberatore’s September so far. 6 relief appearances, 8 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 8 strikeouts and 3 walks.
    I know, small sample size, but has he found a home in the bullpen for 2024?

    #234332
    bccran
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    You never know what Hudson is going to show up. He’s not consistent. The same, unfortunately, goes for Mikolas.

    #234333
    bccran
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    And the same goes for most of the pitchers we got in the sell off. Rom, Robberse, Roby, and Kloffenstein have their good days and their setback days. May just be the signs of still being young and needing fuller development?

    #234361
    14NyquisT
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    Rom, Robberse, Roby, and Kloffenstein have their good days and their setback days

    Its very common throughout all of baseball at any level.

    #234376
    CardsFanInChiTown
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    Ny, that’s the truth. Look at someone even as well regarded as Tink H….. he’s even had some blowups. Small sample size alert, but I’ve seen a few quick video’s of Roby, and he’s on my no trade list ahead of Tink.

    A) If they could sign Edman for a few extra years, then have the ability to use Winn as trade bait that might be their best bet to land a top notch SP via trade. If they packaged Winn, Tink and a Yepez type, that would get them almost any pitcher they wanted I’d think?

    B) Knizner has definitely improved his stock to has some value and Herrera is to important for when WC adds a couple of years. There should be more than enough AB’s for WC and IH between off days and the DH. Speaking of which, WC has sure turned my thoughts around, what a 2nd half!!

    C) Nola hasn’t had the best year, Giolito hasn’t had the best year, but they are going into 31 and 29 aged seasons. I’m not sure where some of you get you’re payroll info, but based on COT’s and projected arb and minimum salaries with a 5% increase, they should have almost 50M to spend, and that doesn’t include trading someone like O’neill.

    D) So they should have enough money and assets to trade for a great SP and sign two guys like Giolito and Nola. Other spare parts for BP fliers can be used also.

    #234382
    blingboy
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    I can just see BDW loading up on $100M+ pitcher contracts.

    #234390
    bicyclemike
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    Anyone else notice Liberatore’s September so far. 6 relief appearances, 8 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 8 strikeouts and 3 walks.

    I have liked what I have seen from Liberatore in his recent appearances. He looks more confident – kind of an intangible thing, but he seems to have a better mound presence. And that has followed with some success.

    Personally I would have him as a candidate for a starter’s role next year.

    #234408
    blingboy
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    Liby did have a string of good outings as a 6th inning guy. Maybe he should have stuck with that. I do not say that facetiously, not entirely at least, as that may be an emerging role with the trend toward shorter starts in today’s game.

    Mike, I think if Liby is still on the roster he will be in the mix. No telling just how much roster churn we are going to see though. We might see a different cast of laundry list guys vying for the remaining position(s) after the contract guys.

    #234416
    bccran
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    Quite a lefty fest next Spring.

    Matz
    Liberatore
    Thompson
    King
    Naughton
    Rom
    Thomas
    Romero
    Suarez

    #234419
    Oliver
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    Quality>Quantity

    #234420
    blingboy
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    ccrany is right about the quantity of lefties though. It seems unusual to have so many, but we will have to see what is left by opening day. If for no other reason, there are only so many roster slots in the system and a constant stream of guys coming in and moving up. You just can’t have the same group hanging around at the top hoping they will pan out, and clogging the pipe. Guys who have had their chances or stalled out might need to move on.

    #234421
    bccran
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    Trade bait?

    #234422
    bccran
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    Here’s a question for Brian and others.

    Lefty Pete Hansen was a third roundpick out of U. of Texas in 2022. He pitched the entire season this year at Palm Beach. Went 11-3 with a 3.12 ERA and 1.163 WHIP. Struck out 126 in 112.2 innings.

    Why wasn’t he promoted this season?
    23 years old with that kind of performance?

    #234425
    14NyquisT
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    Hansen skipped AA and is now on the Memphis roster.

    #234427
    gscottar
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    I would keep Liberatore in the pen until he proves he can consistently get hitters out, kind of like they did with Thompson.

    #234431
    Brian Walton
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    Hansen has a huge caveat. The Memphis roster has been decimated due to all the callups needed as injury backfills for St. Louis. With Springfield in the playoffs, they left the Double-A roster alone, so moved up Class-A guys to Triple-A to cover the last weekend of the season.

    Hansen, along with infielder Brody Moore and catcher Jimmy Crooks, temporarily up to Memphis from Peoria, will not skip Double-A next year. Still, it is nice recognition for them to get a very small early taste of Triple-A.

    #234435
    bccran
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    Thanks for the input. Knew about these end of the season promotions, but still don’t understand why Hansen wasn’t moved up earlier. How can you learn and develop if you’re kept at a level or two lower than you should be?

    #234436
    Brian Walton
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    Perhaps the coaches know more about the player and his readiness for the next level than what we can read on the stat sheets. A player spending an entire season at one level isn’t all that unusual. That is especially the case in the first season, when they are acclimating to pro ball.

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