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September 21, 2023 at 11:51 am #234301
It’s been said that a player is what his stats say he is.
Hudson career MLB stats:
W-L 38-19
ERA 3.84
WHIP 1.38
AVE .249I know. I know. ‘But what has he done for me lately?’
September 21, 2023 at 2:12 pm #234308Does anyone really feel good about Mik?
September 21, 2023 at 2:29 pm #234312mud, it is a fair question to compare Hudson’s numbers post-surgery to his pre-surgery results. He doesn’t seem like the same pitcher. Still, as discussed, he is worth keeping.
September 21, 2023 at 3:30 pm #234317Maybe it’s not the best comparison…..
It’s been almost two full seasons for
Hudson to be able to say ‘I’m back to feeling like my old self.’ (He was quoted as having said that after one of his good starts during the last few weeks.) And the comparison is to Ian Bedell who had his TJ surgery about two full seasons ago and is now TCN’s Pitcher of the Year for AA.September 21, 2023 at 3:46 pm #234318Dakota Hudson:
2022: 4.45 ERA; 1.45 WHIP; .273 AVG; 78K/61BB
2023: 5.12 ERA; 1.45 WHIP; .269 AVG; 40K/30BBSeptember 21, 2023 at 5:25 pm #234327bccran
ParticipantHe’s frustrating. You never know which Hudson is going to show up. The same goes for Mikolas right now.
September 21, 2023 at 5:35 pm #234329He’s frustrating. You never know which Hudson is going to show up.
Bum shoulder guys are like that. You don’t want a ‘you never know’ guy in the lineup. Its a losing proposition as we have observed all year.
September 21, 2023 at 6:34 pm #234331Anyone else notice Liberatore’s September so far. 6 relief appearances, 8 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 8 strikeouts and 3 walks.
I know, small sample size, but has he found a home in the bullpen for 2024?September 21, 2023 at 6:35 pm #234332bccran
ParticipantYou never know what Hudson is going to show up. He’s not consistent. The same, unfortunately, goes for Mikolas.
September 21, 2023 at 6:38 pm #234333bccran
ParticipantAnd the same goes for most of the pitchers we got in the sell off. Rom, Robberse, Roby, and Kloffenstein have their good days and their setback days. May just be the signs of still being young and needing fuller development?
September 22, 2023 at 9:14 am #23436114NyquisT
ParticipantRom, Robberse, Roby, and Kloffenstein have their good days and their setback days
Its very common throughout all of baseball at any level.
September 22, 2023 at 1:16 pm #234376Ny, that’s the truth. Look at someone even as well regarded as Tink H….. he’s even had some blowups. Small sample size alert, but I’ve seen a few quick video’s of Roby, and he’s on my no trade list ahead of Tink.
A) If they could sign Edman for a few extra years, then have the ability to use Winn as trade bait that might be their best bet to land a top notch SP via trade. If they packaged Winn, Tink and a Yepez type, that would get them almost any pitcher they wanted I’d think?
B) Knizner has definitely improved his stock to has some value and Herrera is to important for when WC adds a couple of years. There should be more than enough AB’s for WC and IH between off days and the DH. Speaking of which, WC has sure turned my thoughts around, what a 2nd half!!
C) Nola hasn’t had the best year, Giolito hasn’t had the best year, but they are going into 31 and 29 aged seasons. I’m not sure where some of you get you’re payroll info, but based on COT’s and projected arb and minimum salaries with a 5% increase, they should have almost 50M to spend, and that doesn’t include trading someone like O’neill.
D) So they should have enough money and assets to trade for a great SP and sign two guys like Giolito and Nola. Other spare parts for BP fliers can be used also.
September 22, 2023 at 3:10 pm #234382I can just see BDW loading up on $100M+ pitcher contracts.
September 22, 2023 at 5:26 pm #234390Anyone else notice Liberatore’s September so far. 6 relief appearances, 8 innings, 2 hits, 0 runs, 8 strikeouts and 3 walks.
I have liked what I have seen from Liberatore in his recent appearances. He looks more confident – kind of an intangible thing, but he seems to have a better mound presence. And that has followed with some success.
Personally I would have him as a candidate for a starter’s role next year.
September 23, 2023 at 5:51 am #234408Liby did have a string of good outings as a 6th inning guy. Maybe he should have stuck with that. I do not say that facetiously, not entirely at least, as that may be an emerging role with the trend toward shorter starts in today’s game.
Mike, I think if Liby is still on the roster he will be in the mix. No telling just how much roster churn we are going to see though. We might see a different cast of laundry list guys vying for the remaining position(s) after the contract guys.
September 23, 2023 at 9:09 am #234416bccran
ParticipantQuite a lefty fest next Spring.
Matz
Liberatore
Thompson
King
Naughton
Rom
Thomas
Romero
SuarezSeptember 23, 2023 at 9:37 am #234419Quality>Quantity
September 23, 2023 at 9:53 am #234420ccrany is right about the quantity of lefties though. It seems unusual to have so many, but we will have to see what is left by opening day. If for no other reason, there are only so many roster slots in the system and a constant stream of guys coming in and moving up. You just can’t have the same group hanging around at the top hoping they will pan out, and clogging the pipe. Guys who have had their chances or stalled out might need to move on.
September 23, 2023 at 9:58 am #234421bccran
ParticipantTrade bait?
September 23, 2023 at 10:12 am #234422bccran
ParticipantHere’s a question for Brian and others.
Lefty Pete Hansen was a third roundpick out of U. of Texas in 2022. He pitched the entire season this year at Palm Beach. Went 11-3 with a 3.12 ERA and 1.163 WHIP. Struck out 126 in 112.2 innings.
Why wasn’t he promoted this season?
23 years old with that kind of performance?September 23, 2023 at 10:37 am #23442514NyquisT
ParticipantHansen skipped AA and is now on the Memphis roster.
September 23, 2023 at 10:41 am #234427I would keep Liberatore in the pen until he proves he can consistently get hitters out, kind of like they did with Thompson.
September 23, 2023 at 10:54 am #234431Hansen has a huge caveat. The Memphis roster has been decimated due to all the callups needed as injury backfills for St. Louis. With Springfield in the playoffs, they left the Double-A roster alone, so moved up Class-A guys to Triple-A to cover the last weekend of the season.
Hansen, along with infielder Brody Moore and catcher Jimmy Crooks, temporarily up to Memphis from Peoria, will not skip Double-A next year. Still, it is nice recognition for them to get a very small early taste of Triple-A.
September 23, 2023 at 11:16 am #234435bccran
ParticipantThanks for the input. Knew about these end of the season promotions, but still don’t understand why Hansen wasn’t moved up earlier. How can you learn and develop if you’re kept at a level or two lower than you should be?
September 23, 2023 at 11:21 am #234436Perhaps the coaches know more about the player and his readiness for the next level than what we can read on the stat sheets. A player spending an entire season at one level isn’t all that unusual. That is especially the case in the first season, when they are acclimating to pro ball.
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