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  • #264892
    blingboy
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    As far as the active roster, Matz and Lynn will replace two pitchers. Unless one is Pallante, then the pen is going to get skinny.

    #264893
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    The FO will keep pretending. It’s what they are best at.

    When we should be developing Pallante in the StL rotation, and a Leahy in the pen (because we are free falling) they possibly get demoted or a role change, and the FO plays those bigger contracts. I’ll give odds on that too.

    Add to that logjamb, our recent acquisition of “flash” Fedde. When you get past the pain of it all, it is humorous watching a dog chase his tail.

    #264894
    Brian Walton
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    Unless they go to a six- or seven-man rotation, the excess starters would move to the pen. There will still be 13 pitchers active. Just the names in the pen will change.

    P.S. Rosters expand on September 1, making this roster crunch far less important soon. I suspect this is why they are dragging it out. Can’t see the season hinging on Lynn and Matz, anyway.

    #264902
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    I figure Lynn back in rotation, Matz to the pen, Pallante will fill the long relief / 6th starter role and a couple of the current pen guys get shipped to AAA – the staff will theoretically be a little stronger.

    #264907
    jj-cf-stl
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    I’d DFA FA-to-be Kittredge.

    #264909
    ZTR
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    Is Leahy still up? If so that’s an easy bus ticket back to Memphis.

    #264911
    jj-cf-stl
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    Yes, and he has a shuttle pass.

    #264913
    jj-cf-stl
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    Kitt is at 50 IP now, more than his 22′ and 23′ combined. He’s stretched out again, and a shutdown now, wouldn’t be the worst thing for his 25′.

    #264915
    blingboy
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    Kitt is still owed the rest of $2.6 Million.

    #264923
    jj-cf-stl
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    Kitt had a successful rebound season. Our FO may extend him? If so, you’d keep him onboard and get it done. I’ve let him walk, as a FA.

    #264930
    blingboy
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    If you create a hole you have to fill it. I’ve never been a proponent of repurposing failed starters. Leverage relief is a different skill set, and IMO, a different kind of guy. So besides failed starters, what is there?

    #264933
    jj-cf-stl
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    Pretending still needs leverage relief right? Play them contracts, and keep an eye on service time by demoting. It all fits the model.

    #264937
    blingboy
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    Springfield’s closer is doing good. Beam him up.

    #264959
    jj-cf-stl
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    So it wasn’t Kitt, it was Crawford DFA’d instead. Same principal.

    #265436
    jj-cf-stl
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    2nd Half:
    SP GmSc, 6th turn thru the rotation:

    48 Gray
    47 Fedde
    49 Gibson
    70 Mikolas
    66 Pallante

    56 avg, 6th time thru
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    2nd Half overall GmSc:

    54.7 Pallante
    51.5 Gray
    49.8 Gibson
    47.3 Fedde
    45.3 Mikolas

    #265640
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    Over a year after this topic started. Mo brought in 3 starters like he said he would. One was showing real good until about the all star break. One started slow and then pitched fairly decent. The third showed he could keep the team in games but has fallen apart in the second half. It’s going to be tough to pick up Gibson’s option if he doesn’t turn things around in the last month.

    We really need 2 going into next season. I would go with Gray, Fedde and Pallante as 3. Mikolas seems done. Matz would be better out of the pen. Lynn and Gibson helped us this year but I don’t want to repeat this year. We might be able to get 1 from our minor leagues but really should use them for injury/performance replacements.

    #265658
    Brian Walton
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    JJ, I am not a big Game Score guy. What is the rough scale as to good and exceptional?

    #265661
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    Up until about a month ago, I thought Gibson was a lock to have his option picked up next year. Now, it would seem prudent if the Cardinals would decline the options on both Lynn & Gibson, and seek trades for Mikolas & Matz.

    #265664
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    Agree on Gibson LA. I couldn’t clearly see why BAL let him walk, during the 1st half, but it’s becoming clearer now. That option has become less club friendly.

    #265665
    jj-cf-stl
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    Game Score is nothing special Brian, but the simplicity of it’s design covers the basics. It’s a water cooler stat.

    Each pitcher starts at 50. Most game scores range from 40 to 60, higher is better. 39 or below I call a clunker. 61 or better likely gets a game ball.

    I put it here because it’s an option for conversation, that I hope has a better forum audience than FIP, or another deep dive stat.

    Game Score is not really mainstream, I guess, because everyone wants to be smarter than that 😀

    Gibson’s GmSc was 23 last night. We know where to file that.

    #265668
    stlcard25
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    By the stats you’re posting, jj, the rotation has been fairly mediocre for the second half. I’d be curious how game scores line up for other teams. For instance, the Cubs have put together a decent staff this year.

    #265671
    Brian Walton
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    Thank you, JJ.

    #265673
    jj-cf-stl
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    I’m curious too 25, so while I retrieve, someone plz post a link to Baseball Reference SP GmSc, so if anyone wants to look at the formula, and better understand… I’m a no-go at linking or copy/paste, yada, yada.

    #265691
    stlcard25
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    https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Game_Score

    From the article:

    Start with 50 points. Add 1 point for each out recorded, (or 3 points per inning). Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th. Add 1 point for each strikeout. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed. Subtract 1 point for each walk.

    #265698
    14NyquisT
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    I keep track of the GSs for all the starters in the organization. I think its a simple way to judge the pitchers’ performances as the season goes on. If you use a line graph it really shows trends. There’are mountains and valleys for almost every pitcher…… even the best of them have off days.

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