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August 20, 2024 at 8:03 am #264892
As far as the active roster, Matz and Lynn will replace two pitchers. Unless one is Pallante, then the pen is going to get skinny.
August 20, 2024 at 8:10 am #264893The FO will keep pretending. It’s what they are best at.
When we should be developing Pallante in the StL rotation, and a Leahy in the pen (because we are free falling) they possibly get demoted or a role change, and the FO plays those bigger contracts. I’ll give odds on that too.
Add to that logjamb, our recent acquisition of “flash” Fedde. When you get past the pain of it all, it is humorous watching a dog chase his tail.
August 20, 2024 at 8:10 am #264894Unless they go to a six- or seven-man rotation, the excess starters would move to the pen. There will still be 13 pitchers active. Just the names in the pen will change.
P.S. Rosters expand on September 1, making this roster crunch far less important soon. I suspect this is why they are dragging it out. Can’t see the season hinging on Lynn and Matz, anyway.
August 20, 2024 at 8:57 am #264902I figure Lynn back in rotation, Matz to the pen, Pallante will fill the long relief / 6th starter role and a couple of the current pen guys get shipped to AAA – the staff will theoretically be a little stronger.
August 20, 2024 at 9:10 am #264907I’d DFA FA-to-be Kittredge.
August 20, 2024 at 9:24 am #264909Is Leahy still up? If so that’s an easy bus ticket back to Memphis.
August 20, 2024 at 9:25 am #264911Yes, and he has a shuttle pass.
August 20, 2024 at 9:32 am #264913Kitt is at 50 IP now, more than his 22′ and 23′ combined. He’s stretched out again, and a shutdown now, wouldn’t be the worst thing for his 25′.
August 20, 2024 at 10:26 am #264915Kitt is still owed the rest of $2.6 Million.
August 20, 2024 at 12:02 pm #264923Kitt had a successful rebound season. Our FO may extend him? If so, you’d keep him onboard and get it done. I’ve let him walk, as a FA.
August 20, 2024 at 1:12 pm #264930If you create a hole you have to fill it. I’ve never been a proponent of repurposing failed starters. Leverage relief is a different skill set, and IMO, a different kind of guy. So besides failed starters, what is there?
August 20, 2024 at 2:02 pm #264933Pretending still needs leverage relief right? Play them contracts, and keep an eye on service time by demoting. It all fits the model.
August 20, 2024 at 2:18 pm #264937Springfield’s closer is doing good. Beam him up.
August 20, 2024 at 4:54 pm #264959So it wasn’t Kitt, it was Crawford DFA’d instead. Same principal.
August 25, 2024 at 9:03 am #2654362nd Half:
SP GmSc, 6th turn thru the rotation:48 Gray
47 Fedde
49 Gibson
70 Mikolas
66 Pallante
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56 avg, 6th time thru
_______2nd Half overall GmSc:
54.7 Pallante
51.5 Gray
49.8 Gibson
47.3 Fedde
45.3 MikolasAugust 27, 2024 at 1:10 am #265640Over a year after this topic started. Mo brought in 3 starters like he said he would. One was showing real good until about the all star break. One started slow and then pitched fairly decent. The third showed he could keep the team in games but has fallen apart in the second half. It’s going to be tough to pick up Gibson’s option if he doesn’t turn things around in the last month.
We really need 2 going into next season. I would go with Gray, Fedde and Pallante as 3. Mikolas seems done. Matz would be better out of the pen. Lynn and Gibson helped us this year but I don’t want to repeat this year. We might be able to get 1 from our minor leagues but really should use them for injury/performance replacements.
August 27, 2024 at 6:38 am #265658JJ, I am not a big Game Score guy. What is the rough scale as to good and exceptional?
August 27, 2024 at 7:06 am #265661Up until about a month ago, I thought Gibson was a lock to have his option picked up next year. Now, it would seem prudent if the Cardinals would decline the options on both Lynn & Gibson, and seek trades for Mikolas & Matz.
August 27, 2024 at 7:16 am #265664Agree on Gibson LA. I couldn’t clearly see why BAL let him walk, during the 1st half, but it’s becoming clearer now. That option has become less club friendly.
August 27, 2024 at 7:30 am #265665Game Score is nothing special Brian, but the simplicity of it’s design covers the basics. It’s a water cooler stat.
Each pitcher starts at 50. Most game scores range from 40 to 60, higher is better. 39 or below I call a clunker. 61 or better likely gets a game ball.
I put it here because it’s an option for conversation, that I hope has a better forum audience than FIP, or another deep dive stat.
Game Score is not really mainstream, I guess, because everyone wants to be smarter than that 😀
Gibson’s GmSc was 23 last night. We know where to file that.
August 27, 2024 at 8:10 am #265668By the stats you’re posting, jj, the rotation has been fairly mediocre for the second half. I’d be curious how game scores line up for other teams. For instance, the Cubs have put together a decent staff this year.
August 27, 2024 at 8:14 am #265671Thank you, JJ.
August 27, 2024 at 8:30 am #265673I’m curious too 25, so while I retrieve, someone plz post a link to Baseball Reference SP GmSc, so if anyone wants to look at the formula, and better understand… I’m a no-go at linking or copy/paste, yada, yada.
August 27, 2024 at 11:35 am #265691https://www.baseball-reference.com/bullpen/Game_Score
From the article:
Start with 50 points. Add 1 point for each out recorded, (or 3 points per inning). Add 2 points for each inning completed after the 4th. Add 1 point for each strikeout. Subtract 2 points for each hit allowed. Subtract 4 points for each earned run allowed. Subtract 2 points for each unearned run allowed. Subtract 1 point for each walk.
August 27, 2024 at 12:00 pm #26569814NyquisTParticipantI keep track of the GSs for all the starters in the organization. I think its a simple way to judge the pitchers’ performances as the season goes on. If you use a line graph it really shows trends. There’are mountains and valleys for almost every pitcher…… even the best of them have off days.
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