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  • #261878
    RBK
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    I don’t know that but I do know that he is still owed $65M after this season. Yikes! I never liked how that contract was structured. Completely kicked the can down the road and will not allow us to add as much the next two years.

    Yep, $65mm for 2 remaining years. (Plus the 2nd round draft pick and associated slot value, which clearly impacted the overall 2024 draft strategy.)

    He has to be a 4-ish WAR/yr pitcher over those final two years to get the contract close to in the black for that period. Currently, he’s pacing toward 4.1 for this season, so the contract probably will be in the red over the final two years. Likely still tradable, but not a ton of value there after this season. If the Cardinals were interested in trading him (doubtful), the time to do it would be now.

    #262415
    jj-cf-stl
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    Lynns’ start last night completed the 2nd time thru the rotation, in the 2nd half. The next time thru will include Fedde.

    SP game score:
    37 Gray
    44 Gibson
    48 Mikolas
    44 Pallante
    59 Lynn
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    46.4 avg this turn, which pales in comparison to last turns 58.4 game score avg.

    The Libby pen start and the debut start today are excluded.
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    Appears Pallante is bullpen bound, for now. He put himself in the 2025 rotation conversation. He stepped up when others didn’t. Hard to forget, I hope.

    #262419
    1982 willie
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    Well it wont include lynn since he was just placed on 15 day diabled list and may end up longer. Good thing we got fedde.

    #262430
    jj-cf-stl
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    Hmm, Andre should continue starting then.

    #262492
    Shady
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    McGreevy deserves another start after his performance today. Especially, with Lynn going down with injury.

    #262497
    jj-cf-stl
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    Sure does. TBD? Win/win on picking either Andre or Michael.

    Fedde for Libby would suit me. Rumor has it they need a backfill for McGreevey at AAA. Isn’t that what you heard?

    #262498
    Brian Walton
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    They moved Bling’s favorite Alex Cornwell up to Memphis today.

    #262501
    jj-cf-stl
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    Ah c’mon, play along now. LOL

    #262688
    blingboy
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    Good news! Matz pitched 2 innings for Memphis last night.

    (Corny got the win.)

    #262878
    Brian Walton
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    #263211
    jj-cf-stl
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    2nd half rotations GmSc:

    58.4 1st turn thru
    46.4 2nd turn
    45.6 3rd turn
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    Pallantes’ start finished the 3rd turn thru the rotation. Individual SP scores were:
    67 Gray
    39 Fedde
    57 Gibson
    31 Mikolas
    34 Pallante

    #263235
    14NyquisT
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    After the off-day on Monday, May 23rd and the postponement vs. the Cubs on Tuesday, May 24th the rotation’s Game Scores were:

    Mikolas……56- CHC
    Gray………71- CHC
    Lynn………56- at CIN
    Gibson…….68- at CIN
    Pallente…..67- at CIIN

    Best of the season. Cards went 4-1. Ah…. the good old days.

    #263956
    jj-cf-stl
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    SP GmSc 4th time thru:

    66 Gray
    59 Fedde
    53 Gibson
    29 Mikolas
    57 Pallante
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    52.8 avg (3-2 W/L)

    2nd Half GmSc averages:
    55.50 Gibson
    55.25 Gray
    49.50 Pallante
    49.00 Fedde
    40.00 Mikolas

    #264705
    jj-cf-stl
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    SP GmSc, 5th time thru (2nd half):

    40 Gray
    44 “Flash” Fedde
    28 Gibson
    42 Mikolas
    64 Pallante
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    43.6 avg 5th time thru
    Good way to get on a losing streak.

    2nd half GmSc averages:

    52.4 Pallante
    52.2 Gray
    50.2 Gibson
    47.3 Fedde (StL only)
    40.4 Mikolas

    #264710
    blingboy
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    The team had lost the last 5 games Pallante started. So he throws one down last night and dares them to find a way to lose it and and couldn’t. Good, I like that. But we need to remember that he is only two starts away from getting his head handed to him by the Mets in a game he couldn’t stop the bleeding in the 5th and didn’t make it out of the inning. He’s promising, but the same could be said about Liby who’s been promising since dinosaurs roamed the earth and nothing has come of it. The Cardinals are not good at the final step, so we will have to hold our breath.

    #264725
    jj-cf-stl
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    We all get to choose what we remember.

    #264873
    blingboy
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    Matz has one more rehab start and then he will be back. A 40 man move will be needed.

    #264876
    Jnevel
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    By all rights it really should be a pitcher since we have lots of pitchers on the 40-man but there’s no obvious choice to DFA. Loutos, Roycroft, and Leahy are the 3 guys who are on the margins as middle relief. I doubt they would choose Leahy as he’s been moderately successful. I also don’t really want to lose either of the other 2. The other options are Zack Thompson who is out of options next season and really hasn’t been all that good in AAA this year or Jose Fermin who is probably redundant because of Saggese now (except Saggese isn’t on the 40-man). I think whomever they choose will be lost to another team.

    For me, I’d pick Thompson. I just don’t think he’s ever going to make it as a starter and he’s not a difference maker in relief. But I assume the Cardinals will choose to lose Loutos or Fermin.

    #264877
    blingboy
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    Or somebody could be put on the 60 day IL. Carp or one of the Memphis pitchers now on the IL anyway.

    #264878
    mudville
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    The most obvious cut would be one of Leahy or Roycroft. But given that there isn’t a lot of relief help waiting at Memphis, it might make more sense to free Fermin (and his .926 OPS).

    Leahy is the obvious cut from the 26-man roster. On the other hand it might be best for Pallante’s development if he went down and joined the Memphis rotation until the end of August. Then, bring Pallante back for the September roster expansion.

    #264884
    Brian Walton
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    mud, the big issue when Matz returns is the 40-man roster, not the 26-man.

    #264885
    Brian Walton
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    bling said:

    Or somebody could be put on the 60 day IL. Carp or one of the Memphis pitchers now on the IL anyway.

    No go on either.

    Carp’s injury is not severe.

    The latter is not allowed. A player has to be in the majors before going on the majors IL. Teams do not call up already injured players for that purpose because the players would then receive MLB service time and salary.

    #264889
    blingboy
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    In hindsight, maybe it wasn’t a great idea putting McGreevy on the 40 man yet.

    Lynn will be back also which layers on another active roster move.

    #264890
    Brian Walton
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    True, but for Lynn, they can just send down a reliever as he isn’t on the 60-day IL.

    FWIW, I am in favor of keeping the relief arms. Fermin has no future here anyway. He is a good AAAA player.

    #264891
    Jnevel
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    Yeah, Fermin would be my first or second choice with Thompson as the other. Thompson could probably be a solid reliever, but I don’t think we need him any longer. Fermin really has no place because he’s not a very good defender and not a good enough hitter to use as a pinch hitter. He’s a backup to places we already have a backup.

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