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March 24, 2023 at 2:14 pm #214650
Mikolas extended. 2/40
The last time he had a winning record was 5 years ago.
March 24, 2023 at 2:32 pm #214653I’d say the lead-off slot is certainly up for grabs and I’m in full agreement with the notion that Tommy Edman needs to scuffle to improve his OBP in the form of working more counts for BB’s and possibly honing some bunting skills. The Cardinal manager will certainly approach the lead-off slot with a work in progress concept, but I think Edman will get the first chance to take on that role simply because he hits from both sides and when he does indeed reach base there’s a very good possibilty that the ensuing SB will place him in scoring position without having to sac to move him over. Neither The Nootz nor Donovan can provide those two advantages. In any event, I’ll be surprised if Eddie doesn’t get the vast majority of PA’s leading off for the first month or so of the season. Obviously if that approach produces success he’ll remain in that role.
March 24, 2023 at 2:59 pm #214655The gave Mikolas a 5M signing bonus. Added 3M to this year’s salary and 16M each for 2024 and 2025.
March 24, 2023 at 3:10 pm #214656Man, that’s a lot of paper, Oliver. Imagine the stress produced by simply knowing that the vast majority of all that money sitting in the bank is uninsured…
March 24, 2023 at 5:59 pm #214659
jj-cf-stlParticipantRe: Mikolas
Now two rotation members signed for 2024. Known value at a fair to both rate.
I hope they wait on Monty until near the end of the season to make an offer. I’d like a longer look, but they likely have tape on his entire career.
By then we’d have a good read on Flaherty’s season / future, also.
March 24, 2023 at 6:17 pm #214662Best part of the ink on Mikolas’ paper is the length. Montgomery will probably want 5 years.
March 24, 2023 at 7:54 pm #214663We scored some runs in the 9th off Wily Peralta who’s trying to hang on. I think he’s signed to a minor league contract. But against the real pitchers we didn’t do a whole lot. Offense has been kind of dead the last few games. Or maybe inefficient is a better word. Not pushing them across to well. The pitching has been looking good though. Several good starts and solid relief.
March 24, 2023 at 9:29 pm #214664Did the Padres really and truly just sign Ken Griffey Jr. to a minor league contract???
March 25, 2023 at 5:37 am #214665This is the last weekend of ST, with opening day just 5 days from now. The last ST game is Teusday. It seems like Ollie should be rolling out his opening day lineup by now rather than what we saw yesterday. Maybe Monday and Teusday. Maybe we’ll get a surprise or two when the active roster and the 40 man is set. Good luck to the bubble guys.
Good job by Woodford passing a couple guys to move into the 6th starter slot, which looks like it puts him in the rotation for now. Hypo: What happens if Woody clearly out pitches Jack while Waino is out?
March 25, 2023 at 11:59 am #214679Noon game
1. Brendan Donovan (L) 2B
2. Lars Nootbaar (L) LF
3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
4. Nolan Arenado (R) DH
5. Willson Contreras (R) C
6. Tyler O’Neill (R) CF
7. Jordan Walker (R) RF
8. Nolan Gorman (L) 3B
9. Tommy Edman (S) SS
Cabrera5 PM game
1. Masyn Winn (R) SS
2. Alec Burleson (L) RF
3. Juan Yepez (R) LF
4. Taylor Motter (R) DH
5. Pedro Pages (R) C
6. Luken Baker (R) 1B
7. Oscar Mercado (R) CF
8. Kramer Robertson (R) 3B
9. Juniel Querecuto (S) 2B
PallanteMarch 25, 2023 at 12:15 pm #214681
stlcard25ParticipantNoon game
1. Brendan Donovan (L) 2B
2. Lars Nootbaar (L) LF
3. Paul Goldschmidt (R) 1B
4. Nolan Arenado (R) DH
5. Willson Contreras (R) C
6. Tyler O’Neill (R) CF
7. Jordan Walker (R) RF
8. Nolan Gorman (L) 3B
9. Tommy Edman (S) SSOpening day lineup?? Save for swapping Arenado and Gorman.
March 25, 2023 at 12:15 pm #214682Yeah, the ’23 edition is less than a week away from being unveiled. I’d say everyone should be up to game speed, so Marmol may simply want to get as many looks as is possible at the handful of guys who don’t already have a stamp of approval.
March 25, 2023 at 12:25 pm #214683I don’t know, stlcard25. The opening day order I’m hoping for is…
Edamn SS
Donovan 2B
Goldschmidt 1B
Arenado 3B
O’Neill CF
Gorman DH
Contreras C
Walker LF
Nootbar RFMarch 25, 2023 at 1:01 pm #214684
stlcard25ParticipantEdman is a low OBP player. Increasing his steals might help mitigate that a bit this year. Nootbaar has the low average but good walk rate to help his stats. Then you’ve got Donovan with the OBP up near .400. He would seem to be the logical leadoff guy.
I guess it’s close between Noot, who has the potential, and Edman, who is the known. It’s a good problem to have this year.
March 25, 2023 at 1:09 pm #214685Yeah, I think Edman will get the first look. Maybe not on opening day, but probably the majority of lead-off PA’s for the first month or so, simply because he’s had the most time in that slot of the 3 guys in the conversation.
March 25, 2023 at 1:21 pm #214686I think the noon batting order is what we will see opening day. Maybe Donovan and Noot switched.
March 25, 2023 at 1:30 pm #214687I’m not sold on Gorman despite his good showing this spring and even with the shift ban helping him. He looks like the same hitter as last year. We will have to see how it goes for him when he is facing MLB level pitchers and defenses all the time.
March 25, 2023 at 1:43 pm #214689I’m curious how pointed the conversations were with each leadoff candidate in prep for this season. Things like, “we need to see you do more of XYZ in Spring Training to put you in that spot.”
Competitors respond to clear challenges.
March 25, 2023 at 2:23 pm #214690Its fun seeing all these end of the bench guys here in the 8th.
March 25, 2023 at 3:10 pm #214691
cardsfan64ParticipantSo why don’t I see Carlson’s name on either of these line-ups?
March 25, 2023 at 3:37 pm #214692Maybe they don’t want him to get hurt.
March 25, 2023 at 3:53 pm #214693I’d say in all likelihood, that Carlson will be the CF’er on opening day and get plenty of looks thereafter. I simply posted my personal preference for the opening day Redbird line-up. I’ll also say that it’s probably a good idea that if Walker’s name is indeed placed on the 26 man, that he make his debut in the starting line-up while the team is playing on the road. Less pressure to perform and all. At any rate, that used to seem like it was the orthodox approach.
March 25, 2023 at 4:00 pm #214694I agree that Gorman’s swing does look the same as it did last year. Earlier in ST his swing looked like he had leveled it off a bit, but I guess he didn’t develop the muscle memory to maintain it. His strikeout rate will probably stay high because of that. I still think he’ll hit for average because of the banned shift and the way he stings the ball when he does makes contact.
March 25, 2023 at 4:01 pm #214695I’m not sold on him either, Bling, and I chose Gorman as the guy who would really settle in and consistenly feature a nice performance in ’23. Heck, I wasn’t entirely sold on Albert Pujols until about June of his third season…Haha! I once bought a used truck and the gearbox scattered during the first month of ownership. I’m real careful now…
March 25, 2023 at 4:18 pm #214697Sorting the ST stats by games appeared in shows that four guys in tonights game are at the top. Motter, Robertson, Baker and Querecuto. All getting yet another look.
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