August 25, 2020 at 8:30 pm #136868Cardinals27ParticipantPaid - Annual
One interesting thing as far as blackouts go, I have been told by a friend is to check into a VPN. A VPN subscription costs, but I have been told you can watch every game. I have MLBTV and not gotten much use yet out if it. But I plan on trying this.August 25, 2020 at 8:58 pm #136875Euro DandyParticipantFree
I’d read up on it to see what success people are having this year and which VPN providers are currently working.September 10, 2020 at 9:17 am #139492
At the end of the original spring training schedule, the #stlcards were to play an exhibition game at Globe Life. Now, the LCS and World Series will be played there. If they could make it that far, it wouldn't be a bad substitute… https://t.co/98g61uhTdR
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) September 10, 2020September 10, 2020 at 10:15 am #139502
Well MLB doesn’t have to worry about the Rangers having home field advantage.September 10, 2020 at 10:33 am #139509
Yes, that is the idea. With both Texas teams playing in the AL, MLB decided to have the NL playoff action there. Makes sense.September 10, 2020 at 11:56 am #139528
I meant they won’t have to worry about the last place Rangers being in the World Series.September 10, 2020 at 11:57 am #139529
Ah, got it. Thanks for clarifying.September 12, 2020 at 9:17 am #139776
Given Miller’s prominent role in the union, this could signal problems ahead for the bubble plan.
*ahem* a @NYDailyNews exclusive:
Andrew Miller told me the logistics on MLB’s postseason bubble ”are crazy” and don't do nearly enough to account for the sudden separation from families teams will face as soon as Sunday afternoon. https://t.co/F1lwgAQi65
— Bradford William Davis (@_beewilly) September 12, 2020September 12, 2020 at 11:19 am #139780CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
Wasn’t the player’s union the one complaing that there needed to be more done to protect the players?September 15, 2020 at 11:43 am #140226
The bubble plan details have been finalized.September 15, 2020 at 2:57 pm #140242
Starting dates by round:
Sept 29 AL Wild Card
Sept 30 NL Wild Card
Oct 5 ALDS
Oct 6 NLDS
Oct 11 ALCS
Oct 12 NLCS
Oct 20 WSSeptember 16, 2020 at 7:54 am #140301
Manfred also said the expanded, 16-team postseason is likely to remain beyond 2020, adding that “an overwhelming majority” of owners had already endorsed the concept before the pandemic.⁰“I think there’s a lot to commend it,” he said. https://t.co/7NeSIpCsjv
— Josh Kraushaar (@HotlineJosh) September 16, 2020September 16, 2020 at 8:58 am #140313
I can live with a 16 team postseason but something would need to be done about the first round. A division winner who racks up 100 wins over six months shouldn’t be subjected to a best two out of three right out of the gate.September 16, 2020 at 12:29 pm #140329September 17, 2020 at 8:39 am #140474
According to this VEB writer, a 16 team playoff is nothing more than a ruse by the owners to line their pockets. They get more playoff revenue and they would have little incentive to spend on their team since it would be so easy to get into the postseason.
I suppose all of that is true, which is why it would have to be designed to reward the division winners.
There are two related arguments for why this should not be on the table. It will be easier to make the playoffs and the playoffs will be more random than ever, and those two things combined together means that there’s basically no reason to ever spend on a baseball team again. Why spend on a superteam when you can get knocked out by a 78 win team with two great starters? Why spend money on an 85 win team when that will easily make the playoffs? You’re removing all incentive to try to get better with this playoff change.
Here’s the main problem. Baseball is not a fair sport. Over the long run, good teams separate themselves from bad teams. But in a short sample? Anything can happen. Bad teams beat good teams all the time. The worst teams still win 50 games and the best teams still lose 60 games. The difference between baseball and the other sports with large playoffs is that the better team can be relied upon winning more often than in baseball.
Owners know this. They know that baseball is random in a playoff series. They know that if you increase the playoff teams, it will only increase the randomness. And if the entire season comes down to a random set of games, the only thing that actually matters is making the playoffs. And if making the playoffs is easy, which it very well will be, then you don’t actually need to improve your team.
Players should reject the proposal (and I do believe they have to accept this format for it to happen, much to Manfred’s annoyance I’m sure). The reaction I’ve seen on Twitter from a few players indicates they don’t want this anymore than fans do. Teams would stop spending money on free agents with less incentive to try to get better if they’re already good enough to make the playoffs. Which is exactly why the owners love this idea. More revenue from the playoffs, less money to the players.September 17, 2020 at 9:07 am #140477
So many assumptions about matters that are not decided…
First of all, for 2020, the players were guaranteed a minimum of $50 million for this 16-team expanded playoffs – if they can make it all the way through without being shut down. The players’ alternative was to play for nothing, since the current CBA specifies they get a percentage of post-season gate revenues – of which there may be none this year. Any player concerns about having to quarantine (pointing at you, Andrew Miller) is just whining, IMO.
For the future, read Manfred’s comments in context. He did not say THIS expanded format should continue. His point is that the owners like the expanded concept. He also realizes the players must approve it. If the players are assured to get more money, which they will demand before they approve anything for 2021 and beyond, they will find a new format that everyone can agree on.
(It’s not like the players don’t understand what a lowered competitive bar could do to free agency. On the other hand, the decreased revenues across the game is a much bigger inhibitor to salaries than expanded playoffs would be. Again, the players don’t need us to tell them what is best for them.)
Assuming this cobbled-together COVID format will continue next year is a bad assumption. Assuming they cannot come up with a better idea is another bad assumption.
Expecting outrage like in the VEB article was coming, Ken Rosenthal wrote a reasoned article on this subject yesterday.
Don’t freak out over the prospect of expanded playoffs just yet. Column: https://t.co/Riq9FyxReR
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) September 17, 2020
Personally, I am keeping an open mind…September 17, 2020 at 9:42 am #140479stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
I’m a small playoffs person, but understand that money talks. While I understand the theory that anyone can get hot for a month, the best teams still generally separate out over the playoffs. Winning 4 series in a row is tough and the scrub team that sneaks in isn’t likely to hold up over that haul. Now, the thing that definitely will happen is that some of the really good teams will lose first round series, which is somewhat unavoidable. Your 105 win Dodgers lose in a 3 game set to the 78 win Marlins, that sort of thing.
I’ll note that if the owners are set to make more money on expanded playoffs and mediocrity bonus salary suppression, I want the DH, bigger rosters and scheduled 7 inning doubleheaders for every team.September 17, 2020 at 11:45 am #140486
Like I mentioned I am not necessarily opposed to 16 team playoffs but only if it is structured in a way to reward teams for winning their division. That way there would be an incentive to win as many games as possible, thus the need to actually be willing to spend to build a winning team. Hopefully a mutually beneficial agreement can be reached.
I guess my skepticism on this came from Manfred saying that the owners viewed the 16 team playoff favorably but there was no mention of them viewing the 7 inning doubleheaders favorably in the future. The conclusion from that is they are only worried about maximizing the $$$$$. I know that isn’t exactly breaking news but it doesn’t bode well for the new CBA negotiations.
And yes Brian you are correct in that is too early to freak out over this. Thanks for sharing Rosenthal’s more enlightened article.
September 22, 2020 at 8:55 am #141252
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Brian alluded to this in the game thread last night but I thought I would put it in this thread also.
Personally, I think it is a bunch of garbage. Oh it is fine for us to play 10 games at Wrigley Field but the Tigers can’t stop in STL on Monday on the way home from KC? Give me a break. I thought this schedule was supposed to have the health of the players in mind. I guess someone in our front office must have ticked off Manfred and his goons.
Mozeliak confirms that if the #stlcards do have to play a doubleheader a week from today, it will be in Detroit, not St. Louis, even though the Cardinals end at home and the Tigers end in KC.
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) September 21, 2020September 22, 2020 at 9:19 am #141254
I was also a bit surprised by this because logistically, it makes much more sense to play in St. Louis. My guess is that MLB did not want to create the appearance they were giving the Cardinals an advantage.September 22, 2020 at 10:12 am #141262
This is an important delineation and is different from what I had thought.
“Thus, if St. Louis needs to play those two games to move into the postseason (or potentially out of it), it will travel to Detroit and play one (or both) games Monday. If the playoff field is set and the games would simply be for seeding, the Cardinals will not play them and will be seeded based on their winning percentage.”
Playoff races! Award battles! Unnecessary exclamation points!
The last week of the MLB season is here, and 20 Questions tackles the postseason, MVPs, CYs, draft order, who’s in trouble, playoff format, sneaky-good guys and who I’ll miss seeing in October: https://t.co/4261kv6YGF
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) September 22, 2020September 22, 2020 at 11:51 am #141270
More insight from Goold:
The Cardinals offered to pay the Tigers expenses for the day. In a season where the Cardinals have played home games at Wrigley Field and at PNC Park and the Brewers will be home for a game Friday at Busch, such a move has precedent.
The Tigers declined.September 22, 2020 at 11:57 am #141271stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
Ouch, Tigers. That’s a jerk move. I hope the games don’t have to be played, but if they do I hope the Cards reserves pour it on en.September 22, 2020 at 12:09 pm #141275
Freaking Tigers. That is a bush league move. The games mean nothing to them in the standings anyway.September 22, 2020 at 1:05 pm #141287PugsleyAddamsParticipantPaid - Annual
For sure, Scotty. We all have “nearly” all but forgot about 1968. I guess 2006 is still a bit too fresh in their minds for these guys. Our boys did lambaste and tattoo those Tigers.
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