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Haha forsch. I bet Girsch is the guy who needs to be fired. He probably keeps signing Motter behind Mo’s back, and then Mo has to clean up the mess. You gotta keep an eye on those guys whose names end with sch.
“DFAing Motter 3 times in one season should be grounds for immediately firing the responsible party.”
DFAingStarting Motter36 times inone seasonthe first three weeks of the season instead of Nolan Gorman/Brendan Donovan/Tommy Edman should be grounds for immediately firing the responsible party.These last 24 games are very important for the off-season. If Winn continues to struggle as he has in his first 15, the possibility of trading Edman drops. Edman would seemingly be a desirable target for other teams if made available.
Having said that, one should not prematurely count Winn out over the long haul. Some seem to forget he is just 21 years of age and is in the major leagues when most his age are still in college. There are going to be some growth pains when a team is starting two 21-year-olds. It may as well be now.
(P.S. For reference, Edman was 24 when first called up.)
Edman has a lot of value to us, but of course he would to other teams as well. If then Cards felt comfortable with SS and CF without him, then by all means swing a trade. But I’m not sure they feel that way so I expect he’ll be starting somewhere for St Louis on opening day 2024.
Edman’s probably too talented and versatile to give up right now. Maybe Carlson makes more sense. Still young and has a sizable upside.
I love Donovan, but due to their lack of 2B. I see him, and a combo of Burleson, Yepez, Gomez and a McGreevy type going to Seattle for Kirby or Gilbert.
BB – Speed never goes into a slump. Scott’s a good one.
I admit he could be the next Kerry Robinson, assuming he can hit .300 in AAA like Kerry always did.
We can hope Scott turns into an MLB impact player, but the next step is to see how he does at Memphis.
Unless Scott can get back to taking walks, he is not a complete player. His BB percentage has dropped significantly with each promotion and is down to just 5.8% at Springfield. There is still hope, because he did it before (16.9% at PB last season), but he clearly isn’t ready yet. To his credit, he has been able to drop his strikeout rate a bit at each level.
If Scott is able to fill out his skill set, he might be the Cards’ first legitimate leadoff man since Fernando Vina. It has been longer than that since the organization has been able to develop this kind of player, since Vina was a trade acquisition. Even Robinson was always a fourth or fifth outfielder who in his best year never had 225 plate appearances.
BB – Speed never goes into a slump.
Sure it does. See Billy Hamilton.
If you can’t get on base, speed doesn’t matter.
Might get Miller or Woo
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Donovan & CarlsonDoubt SEA would listen on Ray, Castillo, Gilbert or Kirby. They could trade ONE OF of Miller / Woo, and still have a rotation with Hancock likely starting until Ray is ready.
I prefer Miller over Woo, but Kirby is the get. I would hope they insist on Gorman, which brings Kirby into play, unless they would take Miller & Woo for Gorman & Carlson.Miller and Woo? Weren’t they a comedy duo back in the 1950s. I seem to recall seeing them on the Ed Sullivan Show.
Develop a leadoff man?
Donovan and Noot would like a word. Both are in the 800+ PA range, which is a decent size sample, and have back to back seasons of consistency.
We are going to have to be willing to trade some value if we want value back. Im keeping Walker and Gorman. One of Noot or Donovan probably will be lost. That hurts but Matz cant be counted on either. We need 3 guys and cant buy all of them.
jj said:
Develop a leadoff man?
Donovan and Noot would like a word. Both are in the 800+ PA range, which is a decent size sample, and have back to back seasons of consistency.
If what you want is OBP, then ok. But being a complete leadoff man for me includes manufacturing runs once on base. Donovan isn’t going to steal a base (seven career SB) or take an extra bag with his legs. Nootbaar runs only a bit more often and is more successful at it.
The recent changes in the game encourage more running, but the Cards as a team are not built to take advantage. Edman is clearly the best basestealer but can’t consistently post a high enough OBP to justify being at the top of the lineup.
Scott is another kind of runner entirely with 86 steals this season alone in 98 tries. That is more than Noot + Donovan have over their entire pro careers, majors and minors.
Good point, but, manufacturing runs (beyond walks and singles) also includes power (total bases).
This is why Bill developed secondary average. Give it a look and you’ll see stolen bases, minus caught stealing, by Vina, comes up short to Donovan and especially Noot’s power / x-base hits.
Power has overtaken stolen bases in mlb, for the leadoff role. OBP is still valued but clubs aren’t afraid to bat an Acuna Jr / Betts at leadoff.
Acuna Jr is the ultimate at leadoff with power and stolen bases, and may win MVP, deservedly.
Is that kind of logic what led the Cards to put Goldy batting second?
Of course, a superstar who does it all like Acuna would be great, but the Cards have a bunch of boppers that are not plus on the bases. See the Bernie stats that bling posted on the “Offense Ineffective” thread. The Cards are comparatively terrible at taking the extra base and rarely steal. They already have power covered well. Maybe more action/pressure on the bases would help the poor hitting with runners on.
Acuna has 63 steals. The entire Cardinals team excepting Edman (23) have 64. Goldy is second with just 10. Donovan and Nootbaar have 14 between them. I am suggesting the Cards may benefit from a better balanced attack.
I think there is a chance the MLB game will evolve again as those who are running wild in the minors start coming up.
How close is Scott to the big leagues? Next year? 2-3 years?
Can he hit enough to justify being the leadoff hitter? As someone said, you can’t steal 1stbase.
In Double-A this year, Scott has a .321 BA and .372 OBP. He is a 2025 arrival probably, but as noted, has more work to do in the interim.
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