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Bat him 2nd the first half.
For 10% of the player budget, I want to know what he has left. If he needs released, do it.
If he rebounds, then 2018 was an outlier partial season.
This may be a duplicate -sorry.
Matheny was weak, or at least mediocre, at the time of his firing. I was exceedingly pleased when he was hired, relieved when fired. A perfect time for Mo to play Dexter 100% of the time. If he catches fire (non-dumpster version) the sss can be pedaled to get rid of his contract at year end, blaming the old manager’s ways. I’m sure Bob’s #4 (Every win matters) didn’t apply then because Mo had given up at that point, with 2019-oriented trades to end July. By the time the Cards started their run in August, Dex was mooted by his foot. Had he instead played well in the last two months (a 2 sigma outcome?) we would be lauding Mo’s bold and lucky move, while watch Dex play for some other team in 2019. In 2019 I hope Dex plays well enough to be traded, or becomes a bench option. His defense will never merit playing time. Even Jose gives him a run for his money with OAA by team
This thread really brings out my pugnacity.
Bringing out the Pugs in you can’t be all that bad a thing, can it, Bobby?
Hey, I tried getting on this site last night, but almost everything was in a foreign lingo……Mandarin Chinese I think. Did anyone else experience this?
A new poster/bot registered and immediately spammed the board with a series of new threads in Chinese. They were quickly removed. I could not tell which side of the Dexter Fowler issue they were on and we will never know.
. Goold has contempt for everyone who wants Carpenter to hit leadoff — even though there is no evidence yet that he can hit anywhere else. Again, it isn’t the disagreement that is off-putting. It’s his unshakeable disdain, his CERTAINTY that he’s right and you’re wrong, even though every bit of objective evidence is in YOUR favor, not his. Feelings over facts.
Oh my goodness I am so glad you said this. It is my number one Goold pet peeve besides his emphasis on puns and cartoon characters. It has been proven over and over and over and over that Carp can only function in the leadoff spot yet Goold just sticks his head in the sand and refuses to acknowledge the facts. Then he scolds and scoffs at anyone with the audacity to think otherwise. Very off putting.
Dexter Fowler was well above-average from 2015-2017, totaling 10.1 fWAR. Then of course 2018 was a disaster. What should #STLCards fans expect in 2019? Here's 17 #MLB players with a similar past and how they did.
The results: Not pretty. On average they were worth just 0.8 fWAR pic.twitter.com/K4KgEzYXV9
— Ben LeMarc (@Ben__Markham) February 6, 2019
I don’t know if this guy’s chart really tells us anything about Dexter Fowler. But, I am once again amazed at what some people can do with numbers.
Looks to me like he is telling us not to expect anything out of him at all this year….kind of like what everybody with brain cells expect…to bad the FO is brain DEAD!
From Bleacher Report:
Every Team’s Biggest Bust Candidate ?
“Dexter Fowler will make $16.5 million in 2019, 2020 and 2021. He’s entering his age-33 season and hit .180 in 90 games in an injury-marred season with the St. Louis Cardinals.”
Just pointing out the type of acquisition that us Card’s fans have come to expect. Its a classic from our present FO. What is worse… they plan on compounding the mistake.
You do understand that if it wasn’t Fowler, they would have picked Cecil. And if it wasn’t Cecil, it would have been Gregerson… zzzzzzzz….
I cannot wait for real baseball so we don’t have to keep talking about the same things over and over and over and over….
Its been a long off season already. When I think about Cardinal Baseball 2019, this is the one FO issue that stands out as being so unreasonable. Quite frankly, its alarming. I could go into one of those “thejager” rants about bringing this up, but seriously this is a topic I can’t understand at all. If others feel that this is overboard, I haven’t heard that, but I try to back up some thoughts with other’s opinions that I notice. That happens here also…. zzzzzz.
You do understand that if it wasn’t Fowler, they would have picked Cecil. And if it wasn’t Cecil, it would have been Gregerson… zzzzzzzz….
But they didn’t. They picked a guy that some feel, with little reason to do so, will revert back to 2017.
I cannot wait for real baseball so we don’t have to keep talking about the same things over and over and over and over….
I’m hearing that once we start playing ball this situation will merely just go away. We will see. The Rose-colored Glasses Cardinal Club could easily say “what, who me, worry?”.
I am not sure who you are listening to, but I suggest expanding your scope to include more realistic observers. We already know that Fowler’s every move will be watched and analyzed. If he starts off 0-for-8 in spring training, the pitchfork and torches crowd – who believe Fowler should not get another chance, period – will be out in force. Of course, the real world is somewhere in between those folks and the rose-colored glasses people you mention.
I admit that I am among those not particularly worried, as the team has two other good options in right. Unfortunately, that hits another of your personal hot buttons since you lack confidence that the manager will make changes if necessary. And even if he does, it will not be soon enough to suit everyone. Of course, we’ve had these same exchanges multiple times.
22 pages and counting of Dexter Fowler talk, not to mention the many references made in other threads, suggest this topic has been covered in depth. And so it will continue… I am just looking forward to when there is something new to say. Bring on baseball!
Brian Walton
I cannot wait for real baseball so we don’t have to keep talking about the same things over and over and over and over….
I agree with this but if the marketplace wasn’t so frozen we would have more to talk about. Two offseasons in a row that were about as exciting as watching paint dry. This is why CBA changes are looming.
From Goold’s chat today…
Q: Derrick, why do you cover for and make excuses for Fowler? Yes, there is a hard report date but for many reasons you would think he would be at soring training already. I see someone who was quick to blame his poor performance on other people last year, no personal accountability and someone who pouted and didn’t hustle. As reported by your paper, he was last one to the game, first to leave. Skipped will get warmups (except this year).
A: I don’t need to “cover for and make excuses for” Fowler. I present the facts and let the facts do that for me. You make a huge mistake — an insulting mistake — to suggest that a player who isn’t here isn’t training. Some of the pitchers haven’t arrived in camp yet, and you don’t seem to care too much about their absence from these informal workouts. How come? It would interest you to know that Dexter Fowler is working with his personal trainer, has spent time with Barry Bonds, and he pays money out of his own pocket to build this training team around him, some of whom travel with him during the season. Oh, the “last one to get there, first to leave” nonsense? Yeah, let’s unplug that myth, too. So, some of the work that Matt Carpenter and others do at the ballpark, Fowler does at the gym before the game, or at a training facility with, again, his personal trainer. We’ve asked him about it. He did that with the Cubs. He’s doing that with the blessing of the Cardinals. He’s never late for report time to the ballpark. And he’s rarely the last to arrive at the ballpark of his teammates. In fact, I don’t remember a time when he was. It’s not something I keep score on, but I do pay attention to see who might be injured or whatever. The first to leave? How would we know? Asking teammates who also aren’t there when the clubhouse opens 10 minutes after the game ends? The next day’s starter is long gone by then. Most starters are. Matt Holliday was very swift at leaving the ballpark immediately after a game. No one seemed to care about that.
Facts are a wonderful thing. You should try standing on a few and check out the view.
I don’t need to “cover for and make excuses for” Fowler.
After saying that, Goold goes on to present a lengthy answer loaded with excuses. Like he knows what Fowler’s “training” includes??
he pays money out of his own pocket to build this training team around him,
Wow, that must be costly. Can he afford it???
What the person with the question asked was not really answered by Goold. He DID try to stumble through and dispel what his own paper had reported. And didn’t have a response to the quoted section of the question below.
I see someone who was quick to blame his poor performance on other people last year, no personal accountability and someone who pouted and didn’t hustle. As reported by your paper, he was last one to the game, first to leave.
Goold’s Q&A has become a bunch of fantasy answers. It is almost like the FO has a hand up his back. Only the most casual of fans drink his kool-aid now.
Goold answered a question:
Does he walk? Does he drive the ball? Does he move well on the bases and does he look more comfortable in right field? These are the things to watch during spring training, and if he struggles at these things then the Cards aren’t going to wait for April to come along to to give Fowler’s ABs to a Jose Martinez or a Tyler O’Neill, depending on their performance.If he outperforms both JoMartinez and O’Neill he will be deserving of that rebound shot. If not, then what?
Wait, I thought you just said that his chat answers are fantasy. An hour later, you are quoting them. 😉
Goold’s answer clearly says what he thinks will happen if Fowler struggles this spring.
“give Fowler’s ABs to a Jose Martinez or a Tyler O’Neill, depending on their performance.”
Or perhaps I do not understand what you are talking about.
So any player with a contract the size of Fowler’s would be assumed to be a starting player…. not a bench player. Do we have room on the 25-man roster for a player who has lost his job to another OF and is clearly not even qualified to be a late-inning defensive replacement? Goold doesn’t present any thoughts on that at all and I just felt that he ducked the “what if”. If Fowler can’t be productive the FO’s bet on Fowler coming back to match his salary will be a bust. Goold didn’t want to go there at all.
What kind of numbers does Fowler need to reach to make Mozeliak’s bet a winner?
I think your assumption is faulty and your expectations out of whack.
There is no rule that an expensive player cannot be a reserve. It happens across the game. Really, it does. Jacoby Ellsbury, Tulo and Pablo Sandoval immediately come to mind as current examples.
As far as I am concerned, Goold clearly answered the “what if” by saying Fowler would lose his at-bats. Trying to guess what the team might do beyond that, would likely be just that – a guess. He stays as a reserve, is injured and goes on the IR or he goes elsewhere. It is not some deep mystery.
“Context is important.”
Within the context of the conversation his point was if he played up to his own expectations — “for myself” — then he would have a role on the team. The “job” isn’t the motivation — meeting his personal expectations are the driver. Context is important. #cardinals #stlcards https://t.co/5iHjHUTzQJ
— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) February 15, 2019
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