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For those that keep bringing up 2020 salaries, Carp is not guaranteed a contract for 2020. Neither is Jedd. Those are team options.
To support our pitching, I would think you would also want to keep the best defense up the middle you can – Yadi, DeJong, Wong, and Bader. Why disrupt that?
I thought that was what the 5 years/$82.5 million was for…
C2016, thanks for sharing, but here is a tip. It is easy to get the tweet itself to show. Much easier for folks to read. There is a selection called “Copy link to tweet” at the carrot at the upper right of the tweet.
Giving Fowler in December what he sought this past June — a show of faith, a show of commitment, and Show of confidence in him despite the numbers. That’s what this is. #stlcards #MLB #cardinals https://t.co/vfy5U5hWLe
— Derrick Goold (@dgoold) December 11, 2018
Mozeliak is stubborn. The team suffers.
I’ve written plenty about Fowler and have laid off that topic recently. I’m tired of presenting my thoughts but others have presented their own similar opinions. I get too angry anyway, not good for the old ticker.
He described how “mental issues” dragged on him, and it became clear later those were the result of how he was used and the doubt he felt emanating from the manager’s office.
If I was in charge of this team and read that, I would have signed a check for what is owned Dexy and thrown him out the door.
MO has no golf balls and is a stubborn wuss.
There are always two sides to any employee-manager disagreement, if that is what happened here. From our distance, we lack full understanding of the dynamics. That is why I try not to pass judgement without more facts to back up my view. You can and do, which of course, is your right. 😉
All I will offer from my personal experience is that mental health can be a serious issue affecting job performance in any industry. Thank goodness, much of society is past just firing the employee as a result. Maybe that does not apply here but maybe it does. Again, who are we to say?
If he needed help, I hope he got it and can move ahead. Admitting there was a problem shows me more strength than weakness. However, I am not suggesting he be “coddled” moving ahead. Ultimately, he will have to perform.
If that makes me a “wuss”, too, so be it. As TLR was fond of saying, “They are men, not machines.”
How was his physical and mental health? To be clear, I am not putting anything on your man, Matheny. Problems aren’t always fixed immediately nor are matters as simple as we may hope.
I’ll just answer with… he has used every excuse in the book. If it were another player with his ticket would have been punched, that is what is so agonizing. “Coddled” is the word I was looking for.
Was there any discussion about holding on to Holland so that he would improve?? After all he did miss spring training. No one from the Cardinals made a trip to his to hold his hand and kiss up to him.
Shouldn’t he have been working on improving on his own, instead of bawling he didn’t get actual playing time? This whole situation is so frustrating and nonsensical. Mozeliak is more to be pitied than laughed at.
“They are men, not machines.” maybe DF should start acting like a man.
Some people bend over backwards with every sort of excuse to condone DF’s being on the Cardinal team. I just don’t get that at all.
I wish “condoning” anything meant that we have any power, but we don’t. We are just a bunch of interested people exchanging opinions. One thing I have learned is that one person’s excuse is another’s explanation and vice-versa. Another thing I know is that until we are told otherwise, Fowler is the right fielder, whether it has anyone’s stamp of approval or not. It doesn’t have to be accepted to be fact. But that doesn’t mean the debates will stop. Nor should they, if that is where people want to continue to focus their anger. I’m ok with seeing how it shakes out in March and April, but I am not going to convince anyone to show patience. This is another topic for which trenches were dug long ago.
the FO being ok with Fowler in RF shows how much they are “truly” trying to get this team back to the post season……
Just because Fowler was a head case doesn’t mean his talent has left him. If your boss hates you, and you hate your boss, its going to be hard to perform up to expectations. Basically, what I’m saying is to give Fowler one more chance.
What about replacing Fowler with a switch hitter with these stats:
.271/.378/.467/.845 with an average of 16 HRs, 8 triples and a 21.5% K rate?
The me first attitude and the boss’ my way or the highway philosophy are just too much to overcome. Not much room there to work things out.
Question for you, NJ. Winter Warm Up is the main charitable fund raising event for Cardinals Care. This is the third year in a row that DF is skipping it. What does that tell you?
I thought I said he had a me first attitude. Did I miss something? I was in no way, shape, or form defending Fowler. I dislike the signing the day it happened. Only pointing out it takes two to create a conflict and they both had the type of personalities that are destined to clash. It was not all on Fowler.
From the opening day, Fowler stunk it up. That made him sad.
Then at long last, in mid-June he was finally benched. Because this is sports, and he was actively hurting his team by being on the field, and there was clearly someone much better to take his place. Being benched made him even sadder.
He spent five days out of the entire season, with an OPS over .615. And of course he’s a lousy fielder as well. That’s not anyone who should be on the field.
Show of faith? Show of commitment?! He stunk, he got benched. He’s a grown man, and he got benched. That’s sports. We don’t need a single scrap of inside information on Fowler to know that any bad player in any sport being benched is never an injustice. It’s the way that sports is supposed to work. It’s one of the main reasons we love sports. Because at its best it is a meritocracy.
If Fowler had “mental issues” then that’s just too darn bad — go see a therapist. You can afford it.
Maybe I’m insensitive, but maybe the club needs less sensitivity and more meritocracy for playing time. This isn’t T-ball and they don’t give participation ribbons. You play until there’s someone better to take your place.
Bobby Reed “insensitive”???? I think not! We all know the old adage “He took the money and ran”. Dexter Fowler took the money and the only reason he did not run was that he wouldn’t be able to take the money with him. Once Dexter signed his huge contract, he took a big sigh of relief, laughed all the way to the bank……and then did absolutely nothing to live up to his end of the deal for his new employer who just made him an extremely wealthy man. How’s that for gratitude. Karma will not be this man’s friend.
I’ve thought that about Fowler, also. Maybe he just took the money and quit. I don’t know. I think the manager lost the battle when he got into a standoff with him, if that’s what happened. As far as that sort of macho attitude of ‘Toughen up, and get with the program’ is concerned, I can say with a high degree of certainty that it doesn’t work nowadays. Young people don’t relate to it. It worked somewhat with boomers, but not with the more recent generations of young people.
The millenials, in particular, think you’re out of touch with the real world if you try to lay that tough guy stuff on them.
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