The Cardinal Nation’s 2025 Top 50 Prospect Countdown

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  • #272541
    blingboy
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    I have previously wondered if Flores went for a couple injury risk picks to get maximum potential high end pop after going for more of a high floor sure thing type with the 7th overall pick.

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    Brian Walton
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    #272572
    blingboy
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    Brian, I couldn’t link to the article from the tweet, fyi.

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    Brian Walton
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    Thanks for the tip.

    #272574
    blingboy
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    I have Loutos coming up on my list several slots higher, upper 20s. He is an example of a thread that runs through my baseball worldview that brick and mortar baseball is played by humans, not by spreadsheets of data manipulated by analytics and algos. It is the measurables which can be reliably quantified that gain in importance because that is what can be reduced to useful input. But intangibles matter in the real world, and intangibles can relate not only to characteristics of the individual, but also to characteristics of the environment that individual is traversing, and to the relationship between the two. In my baseball world, such intangible factors can legitimatly factor into rating and ranking a prospect. This affects Loutos as it does Prieto. They are in the right place at the right time with a skill set that is probably good enough to take advantage of the opportunity presented. Chompers used to call it getting a break and taking advantage of it. A break can affect a player’s career trajectory, and we are forecasting and estimating career trajectories.

    #272588
    Brian Walton
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    Blake’s scouting report credits Loutos’ turnaround to entirely changing his offerings. One thing that is not in your worldview is that players can actually get better. That is especially the case for someone already at Triple-A.

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    blingboy
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    They can get better, they can get worse. There are plenty of examples.

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    Brian Walton
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    #272644
    blingboy
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    I thought high floor pitchability was out.

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    Brian Walton
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    #272679
    14NyquisT
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    It looks like Koperniak is in the TCN’s doghouse. Which means he’ll get the same treatment Edman and Helsley etc got when they were coming up. We get it.

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    Brian Walton
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    Sorry you continue to feel that way, Ny. The reality is that we all see prospects differently and only much later on, when the hindsight is 20-20, does anyone know for sure who makes it and who doesn’t.

    For the players we were not as optimistic about as you, feel free to celebrate. But we all know there were other cases in which the shoe was on the other foot. If anyone could bat 1.000 in the prospect game, they would be a superstar.

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    I still don’t get how Koperniak’s ability and results add up to a 50 hit tool at the big league level. If there’s one thing I’m confident about Koperniak, it’s that he would hit for average if given regular playing time. Oh well, betting on any prospect to not succeed will generally win you bets.

    #272710
    Brian Walton
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    FWIW, how others see it.

    Fangraphs has Koperniak’s hit tool at 40/45. BA has him at 55.

    MLB Pipeline does not include Koperniak among their top 30 Cardinals prospects.

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    In my mind factors which matter include health risk and opportunity. My thinking about Koperniak is he is in the right place at the right time with a skill set that seems adequate to take advantage of the opportunity presented. As a consequence, I would give him better odds of having a meaningful ML career that quite a few players who will ranked above him on both the TCN and Community lists.

    #272714
    Brian Walton
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    Agreed, but ranking is not all about the surest thing to reach MLB. Otherwise everyone at Memphis would be top ranked. 40-man players would also get preference. Instead, a lower odds player further down in the system may have a chance to reach a higher ceiling if everything goes right.

    A number of factors have to be blended together, but each person’s recipe is different. No rights or wrongs, just varying opinions. If everyone saw it the same way, there would be no need to have a community vote.

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    Brian Walton
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    #272741
    Brian Walton
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    #272745
    stlcard25
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    We are starting to cross over some votes with the expert vote and the site vote, which is interesting. Should be fun to see how we interested novices stack up against the pros on these ones coming up.

    #272746
    blingboy
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    I was thinking about these last two, Honeyman and Levenson, and suddenly a light bulb went on. You can’t disappoint on the field if you are not on the field. That puts you ahead of a lot of guys who are out there playing. What an epiphany. I bet it works the same for pitchers as we will soon see.

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    Brian Walton
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    Brian Walton
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    The second half begins!

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    gscottar
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    That is the downside at signing at such a very young age. He can run out of runway with the Cardinals before being fully physically developed to handle the appropriate level.

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    Brian Walton
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