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June 7, 2020 at 8:22 am #129837
US Baseball ballpark is just south of the Springfield city limits in the city of Ozark and you have to turn at Lamberts Cafe to get to it. Lamberts is now open full blast again. We still do takeouts only and find that one dinner fills up both of us. Used to be we brought half the meal home. A lot cheaper to buy one meal too……LOL For those who know Lamberts, the word is they bought the campground behind their building and had plans to put up a Super Lamberts but the virus may have slowed those plans.
June 7, 2020 at 8:52 am #129838bccran
ParticipantDo they throw rolls too, like the one in SE Missouri.
June 7, 2020 at 11:31 am #129841Do they throw rolls too, like the one in SE Missouri.
Home of the throwed rolls. You betcha they do.
June 7, 2020 at 11:42 am #129842Clearly some MLB teams don’t understand tanking. If you’re gonna tank do it properly.
#KBO stats: Some numbers from the Hanwha Eagles' current 14-game slide. They have been outscored 120-36 while batting .207/.266/.298. They had an 8.11 ERA, allowed 26 homers, walked 67, 2.00 WHIP, and opponents batted .337/.417/.560. All figures worst in KBO during the span.
— Jeeho Yoo (@Jeeho_1) June 7, 2020
June 7, 2020 at 2:19 pm #129844MLBPA negotiator tells MLB owners they are 'depriving America of baseball' as talks drag on https://t.co/fwW3nd4ia1
— CBS Sports MLB (@CBSSportsMLB) June 7, 2020
June 7, 2020 at 3:29 pm #129847For everyone claiming that MLB's health and safety proposal was thorough and covered all the angles, this demonstrates that they have flouted coordination with local health officials, which could spell disaster, particularly–surprise surprise–for communities of color. https://t.co/BetXU6wrP9
— Hip Hip Shohei (@EvanDavisSports) June 7, 2020
June 7, 2020 at 3:33 pm #129848Fay Vincent says the owners heading down the wrong path once again.
June 8, 2020 at 6:54 am #129858Heyman misses the point. Time is NOT running short. Fan patience is.
The rhetoric hasn’t helped, the delays have helped less, and time is running short to reach an agreement. Commissioner Rob Manfred prefers to get a compromise done, but owners aren’t necessarily opposed to him mandating a short season. 50 seems to be the msgic number at moment.
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) June 8, 2020
June 8, 2020 at 7:37 am #129862It’s no wonder that Fay Vincent was given a vote of no confidence.
June 8, 2020 at 8:27 am #129863bccran
ParticipantTime sure seems like it’s running short to have any sort of meaningful season.
June 8, 2020 at 9:36 am #129865Time sure seems like it’s running short to have any sort of meaningful season.
That is very true. I think the owners would be fine with starting the playoffs on September 1 and skip the season.
June 8, 2020 at 10:45 am #129866bccran
ParticipantWhat would the playoff format be?
June 8, 2020 at 11:24 am #129867
stlcard25ParticipantJune 8, 2020 at 2:17 pm #129870Breaking the union should not be a viable topic in my opinion. Let’s get a reasonable season put together, and pay the players proportionately, with a floor on salaries capped at an agreeable percent (say 50-60%).
At this point I am not sure you can play more than half a season, with post-season added on. So lets play around 60 Regular season games, and put salaries at a rate higher than 60/162. A little give and take, and lets move on and get this done together.
Start without fans if need be, and see how things look. Maybe by late August we can get fans to the games on a limited basis.
June 8, 2020 at 6:03 pm #129876another new proposal from MLB to the player’s union today with larger cut of the financial pie for the players but players seem not real happy with the health provision they’d have to sign:
(from MLBTradeRumors)
This morning’s proposal, according to Jorge Castillo of the Los Angeles Times (Twitter link), would require players to sign an “acknowledgement of risk” waiver, which gives many in the union pause. Players are wary that upon signing such a waiver, they’d be unable to take any action should they feel the league provided an unsafe work environment.
June 8, 2020 at 10:40 pm #129886Players are seeking 100 percent pro rata. https://t.co/kJPUtmOXGj
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) June 8, 2020
June 9, 2020 at 6:34 am #129897I was wondering how long it would take before politics got into the game.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/epstein-says-cubs-planning-to-create-diversity-committeeJune 9, 2020 at 9:10 am #129903I wish I could really understand what the players actually want. One thing that they are complaining about is that teams are using average players up until those players reach arbitration or free agency. Then, the teams bring up some new kids who can do about the same that the thing the more expensive players are doing. So, how do you fix that? Or, better stated, how does the players’ union want that to be fixed? Unions like to have a seniority system for their aging members. Is that what the players’ union wants, a seniority system? I would sincerely appreciate it if someone could fill me in on what I am missing.
Another thing the players are adverse to is revenue sharing/salary cap, and that includes the luxury tax which acts as a soft salary cap. As far as I can tell, the only thing not having a salary cap does is make more money available for the elite players. I don’t see how that makes sense when the elite players are already getting millions upon millions of dollars.
Are the players thinking that the owners are making too much money and they want to do something about it? As long as the players are getting plenty of money themselves, why would they care about how much money the owners are making?
It all seems rather chaotic to me. I said in an earlier post that this controversy is all about control. And I still think that control is at the bottom of it. But I can’t figure out what people think is going to happen when one or the other side establishes themselves as the ones in control. Does somebody have a vision for the future of the game? If they do, I wish they’d tell us about it. If they don’t, they’d better get one, IMO.
June 9, 2020 at 12:35 pm #129907There are more specifics in Passan’s tweets attached to this one.
ESPN has obtained a copy of MLB’s proposal today to the players. Here are the pertinent details:
– 76-game season
– $1,431,716,000 in potential compensation (75% of the full prorated salary of $1,909,436 over 76 games)
– Up to 8 playoff teams per league (at MLB’s discretion)— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) June 8, 2020
June 9, 2020 at 12:38 pm #129908June 9, 2020 at 1:00 pm #129910
stlcard25ParticipantThat seems like a stretch. Why own a team if it’s not very profitable?
Brian, I’m sure you wouldn’t mind turning the paltry profit that poor Dewitt scrapes by on, eh? 😂😂😂
June 9, 2020 at 1:21 pm #129912A 24 oz tall boy of The King is 12 bones at the yard. Them spits is like a $1.40 a can cost. Trust me they make money. It just depends on how wisely they control expenses.
I will say the Cardinals do throw out some ticket deals that other teams do not during non peak months. The Padres don’t do anything. Zip other than offer 3 dollar tacos on Tuesday and $5 drink deals before the games on Friday. They do have military and first responders deals for those folks like every team does and should.
I think this is basically coming down to if all else fails Manfred steps in and throws down a 50 game schedule. Then it’s all up to players.
June 9, 2020 at 4:42 pm #129921No body, and I mean no body, believes DeWitt when he says baseball isn’t profitable. No one.
June 9, 2020 at 4:45 pm #129922I was wondering how long it would take before politics got into the game.
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/epstein-says-cubs-planning-to-create-diversity-committeeConsidering how the father of the Cub’s owners is a racist bigot this is probably a good thing for them. Also, the Cubs ownership haven’t shied away from politics. They hosted a Trump campaign fundraiser at the park a year ago.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/politics/ct-met-trump-campaign-rnc-chicago-cubs-20190605-story.html
June 9, 2020 at 7:38 pm #129933Player counter with an 89 game proposal at the prorated rate with a 16 team playoff on the board for 2020 and 2021. Also it appears the union has decided that players who are non high risk who chose to sit out will not be paid or get service time. The owners are likely to reject.
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