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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    New topic about the evolving schedule for the regular and post-season…

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    I wonder what kind of contingency they will build in for when a player tests positive after the season starts. And I guarantee you it will happen. By then I expect they will have near immediate results testing but virals dont always show up immediately.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Interesting background, especially on the TV contracts, which are all-important in terms of how many games are played and when.

    Playing in empty stadiums to start, and later, fans potentially freezing in cold weather and/or games relocated away from the home cities are less important.

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    It appears there will be no baseball in Toronto for at least the next 90 days.

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    I hope I’m wrong because I crave baseball as much as anyone but I think the no activities date will continue to be extended. So, we should brace ourselves for NO baseball in 2020.

    #125742
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    This report from Toronto says baseball is excepted from the 90-day proclamation.

    #125768
    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    In case there was any doubt…

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    This is obviously indy ball, but the Frontier League was to open on May 14, so about six weeks from now.

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    Brian, can you clarify the status of Jordan Hicks? He was placed on the 60 day IL on February 12, 2020. Did the 60 day clock start on February 12 or does it start on opening day? If the latter then I guess that means that Hicks could potentially have to sit out even if he is physically able to play.

    It was speculated that he would be available after the all star break, so around July 17. However, if the season starts on June 1 his 60 day clock wouldn’t expire until July 31. If the season starts on July 1 his 60 day clock would expire on August 30. If true, this could be a big issue.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Great question! There is apparently nothing formal yet, but it is not expected to be a problem. The rule is that the 60-day clock was to start on March 26, Opening Day. In this unusual situation, common sense is expected to prevail.

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    I saw somewhere that the season will just start where it picked up on the schedule July 1st and end in mid October.

    https://www.bleachernation.com/cubs/2020/04/01/rumor-mlb-discussing-specifics-of-a-100-game-season-that-would-begin-on-july-1/

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Well, the “source” for the Bleacher Report article is the same Chicago radio station that reported Arenado to the Cards was going to happen. Not exactly Ken Rosenthal or Jeff Passan…

    Still, that 100-game plan could be one scenario, but with no one knowing when it will be safe, they almost certainly are working on several possible cases. In any situation. there is a question of how all of the double-headers will be fitted into the existing remaining games. Further, which of the lost games would be added onto the end of the schedule.

    There will be complaints of schedule inequity because the latter may be driven more by trying to avoid bad October weather than trying to balance the schedule. So many unknowns…

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    It’ll be interesting to see but my guess is they keep July, August and September in tact but they’ll add a series during what would’ve been all-star week. The other game idk where would be a barometer but game 63 on our schedule was June 4th IIRC but that might not be everyone schedule.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    It seems fairly likely they could add as many as two double headers per team per week during the summer months. The intent as I understand it is to keep travel the same but turn a three-game series into four. For example, over a weekend set, they change Saturday from a single game into a day-night twin bill.

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    Thanks for the response regarding Hicks. I also hope that common sense will prevail.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    His very last word sums up this idea for me…

    If it is safe enough for baseball players, coaches, trainers, umpires, clubhouse attendants, all the support personnel needed, etc. to congregate, then it will be safe enough for fans, too. Trying to rush back too soon creates significant risk (as in any part of daily life) and any recurrence could result in an even longer delay.

    Imagine if they did all the rescheduling to restart the season, only to have to stop again. Then the season would be done for sure.

    I get the intention, but it is not likely realistic, IMO.

    P.S. I get that many players want to play, but it would be surprising to me if all players agreed to be quarantined away from their families for what could be weeks or even several months. So many issues with this idea…

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    I still maintain there is a good chance there is no baseball in 2020, and while that would be more than irritating for most of us diehards, in some ways a lost season wouldn’t be the worst thing for the Cardinals due to their many odorous contracts. VEB recently had an article about this:

    https://www.vivaelbirdos.com/2020/4/2/21203961/impact-of-no-season-for-each-mlb-team

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    I didn’t realize that the above link had already been posted in a different thread.

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    I maintain there is a very good chance of baseball in 2020…ridiculous if there isn’t.

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    Anyone a fan of Barstool Sports?

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    Are there enough major league size stadiums in AZ or FL? Two games at each park per day? I’ve been in Phoenix on 4th of July weekend and it was over 115 degrees during the day so I doubt that day games are an option.

    On the flip side, that temp would be great for killing the virus.

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    RE: GS, “odorous contracts”

    Fresh skunk spray: A. Miller, 12.5mil paid on a 2/25mil contract. -3.1mil field value to date, totaling -15.6mil AAV.

    Month old heavily used litter box: B. Cecil, 23mil paid on a 4/30.5mil contract. +3.1 field value to date, totaling -19.9mil for 2017-2019. -6.63 AAV

    Goat milk cheese: D. Fowler, 49.5mil paid on a 5/82.5mil contract. 33mil field value to date, totaling -16.5mil for 2017-2019. -5.5mil AAV

    Wet, dirty socks: Y. Molina, 40mil paid on a 3/60mil contract. 29.2mil field value to date, totaling -10.8mil for 2018 & 2019. -5.4 AAV (since imo no site adequately describes the correct value of a catchers D, Yadi’s odorous description ranks lower on this list than his AAV suggests).

    Honeysuckle: Carpenter, 52mil paid on a 6/52 extension. 169.7mil field value for 2014-2019, totaling 117.7mil surplus value. 19.61mil surplus AAV

    odorless: Carpenter, entering a 2/39mil contract. Last two seasons totaled 50.1mil field value. Time will tell, hopefully, but it’s too late in this post to introduce projections.

    Fresh baked cookies: Wainwright, 7mil paid (my est.) on a 1/2mil contract w/incentives. 17.2mil field value in 2019, totaling 10.2mil surplus AAV.

    All field value in millions per Fangraphs, salaries from Cot’s.

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    Brian WaltonBrian Walton
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    Well, Wainwright’s results against his prior contract did not smell so sweet… If that was a plate of cookies, what he is getting and giving back for the money now are just crumbs…

    Not his fault, but the facts are the facts. Even nice guys can and do underperform against their contracts.

    On the broader point, I do wonder which MLB team does not make bad deals, however. I am pretty sure there is not one. Further, I suspect the Cardinals trend more to the better end of the MLB bad contract spectrum than among the worst.

    I did not do the leg work for all teams, but did for the Dodgers recently when replying to gscottar. Of course the fact that some franchises have deeper pockets than others (or so they say and self-impose with lower payroll budgets) can complicate any comparative analysis.

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    If we were to dig deeper than my mentioned current contracts, that include 2019, or contracts starting in 2020, I’d expect that Yadi would have a better AAV than his current one, also. I’ll look at Adams past contracts.

    Don’t all MLB teams have (edit- bad) contracts? I’d expect so, but how the bad ones affect their payroll % sounds like a buncha work. Agree that I also expect Stl trends towards the better end of teams w/bad contracts.

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    All teams have bad contracts but the VEB article was narrowly focused on 2020 and who would be impacted the most or least for that one year. One less year of paying Carp, Fowler, Cecil, Miller, Yadi, and Leake sounds good to me.

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