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October 10, 2022 at 4:26 pm #204190
Thanks Rats…Hey, my next question, is how do you do it? Haha! I looked all over the site menu and couldn’t find any comprehensive instructions for the tech challenged, such as myself. Any help would be highly appreciated.
October 10, 2022 at 4:27 pm #204191bccranParticipantIt would be interesting to compare the overall ceilings of
O’Neill, Gorman, Carlson, Yepez, Burleson, Walker, and Gomez.We need a consistent RBI bat with some power hitting behind Goldschmidt and Arenado.
October 10, 2022 at 4:42 pm #2041921TD, you go to the Open Forum page and go to the bottom. It says to start a topic. Put in a title for the topic in the top box and type the body of the post in the big box. Hit submit and it is done.
October 10, 2022 at 4:43 pm #204193According to many here Gorman is a bust at 22 so he has no ceiling. O’Neill needs to stay healthy and I don’t this he can so no ceiling. Carlson regressed this year but I think at 23 he has time to improve so he has an average ceiling. Yepez maybe a lower ceiling than Carlson since only a DH type. Burleson I don’t think his ceiling is very high. Walker I think has the highest ceiling of them all. Gomez don’t know much about him so I won’t rate him.
October 10, 2022 at 4:43 pm #204194bccranParticipantI think you have to log in first, Forsch.
October 10, 2022 at 4:44 pm #204195bccranParticipantA high ceiling player like Gorman is a bust at 22? I just spit out my diet coke.
October 10, 2022 at 4:48 pm #204196Not my opinion like I said to some posters have written him off. I think at 22 he has a high ceiling.
October 10, 2022 at 4:53 pm #204197Well, it’s my impression that the Cardinals were relying on O’Neill for power production. He’s had ample time to demonstrate an ability to reach what you termed a ceiling. He featured a glimpse in the second half of ’21, and pushed 80 baserunners across HP, but I’m beginning to be convinced he won’t be able to stay on the field long enough to consistently provide power production. I don’t think Carlson was or ever will be suited for that role. The other 4 guys you mentioned are a who knows proposition. Not enough PA’s in the Big Leagues to get any sort of reliable read.
October 10, 2022 at 4:55 pm #204198forsch31…Thank you, sir! I’ll try that when I think of something that may stir up some baseball chatter. It shouldn’t take me too long…Haha!
October 10, 2022 at 5:12 pm #204201bccranParticipantLet’s take a look at Gorman for a second. In 2021, he was promoted from Springfield to Memphis. At Springfield he struck out 26.7 % of the time. He had 328 plate appearances at Memphis and struck out 63 times. That’s 19% of the time. In 2022 at Memphis he had 188 plate appearances and struck out 69 times. That’s 36.7%. At the major league level
this season he had 313 plate appearances and struck out 103 times. 32.9%. What happened? Was he pressing too hard since he was promoted so fast as such a young player?October 10, 2022 at 5:56 pm #2042051982 willieParticipantEdmans numbers do not speak for him. You can quote war and all that stuff but he didn’t pass the eyeball test this season for me. His average which I still look at cause I’m old school and don’t care about all the new analytic stuff. If he had been killing it, I don’t think he would have bounced around the lineup the way he did. Even marmol wasn’t impressed and he isn’t that smart. Gorman has time to improve. Im probably never going to be a fan because we already have guys that strike out too much but maybe he can improve.
October 10, 2022 at 6:00 pm #204206What happened is big league opponents figured out how to get him out. As of now he is a lefty pull hitter who strikes out too much and cant hit righties. He’s young, so maybe he can develop. He will benefit from rules changes next year, so that will help. He is a top prospect so he will get plenty of reps early on whether he hits or not. That will help too.
October 10, 2022 at 6:00 pm #2042081982willie…Who do you think will be the two ’23 opening day middle IF’ers?
October 10, 2022 at 6:03 pm #204209bccran wrote:
We need a consistent RBI bat with some power hitting behind Goldschmidt and Arenado.
I just about agree bccran. But I would prefer a big bat BETWEEN Goldschmidt and Arenado. And preferably a lefthanded hitter. Anybody remember Juan Soto?
r/Esteemed Rat
October 10, 2022 at 6:10 pm #2042101982 willieParticipantWho do I think will be the middle infielders? It’s hard to say. If it was me, I’m keeping edman at short and Donovan at second. Maybe spell Donovan with Gorman at second, he was adequate there though I prefer Gorman get more dh at bats since he needs to work on cutting down strike outs plus I prefer gold glove types on infield though I don’t consider Donovan that. I just prefer donovan in the lineup. I’d let dejong go but the Cardin’s usually take a long time in letting players they owe lots of money go. So if I had to say, I think dejong will be at short starting out with edman at second but it’s not what I want.
October 10, 2022 at 6:11 pm #204211Bling…That’s precisely what happened. If there’s a hole in a swing, it doesn’t take long for the opposition to locate it in the Big Leagues. He’ll still only be 22 when the ’23 regular season gets underway, so he’s got plenty of time to bolster his ability to make contact. Heck, with 313 PA’s he’s only stepped into a Big League batters box for about half a season.
October 10, 2022 at 6:14 pm #2042121982willie…I could certanly be wrong, but I don’t think you have to worry about DeJong being around with the Cardinals in ’23. You think Eddie will be awarded a GG this off season? I’m guessing he will. And oh…It’s my hope that Donovan gets close to 600 PA’s in ’23 and hopefully is the regular at 2B.
October 10, 2022 at 6:16 pm #204214If you had to name one free agent as the most likely to be acquired by the Cards this winter, who is it?
October 10, 2022 at 6:18 pm #204215Bling…Mike Trout.
October 10, 2022 at 6:28 pm #204218I don’t think Mike Trout is a free agent. I could see the Cards going after Michael Brantley to be the left handed veteran DH/OF type.
October 10, 2022 at 6:30 pm #204219bccranParticipantMichael Brantley.
October 10, 2022 at 6:33 pm #204220bccranParticipantIf they can’t sign Quintana, I could see then going after Michal Wacha.
October 10, 2022 at 8:17 pm #204226Dansby Swanson is the one free agent I would like to get! He is a solid Cardinal type player the fans here would love! O’Neill is gonna be Randal Grichuk! Good enough to stay on a roster and tease with his potential but never really break out! 2021 will be the best year he ever has in the pros! Way too many holes in his swing and everyone knows where the weaknesses are now! Gorman has potential but his strike out rate is alarming to say the least! We have tons of guys with potential but very few with real production which is out big problem! Gorman, O’Neill, Carlson, Yepez, Lars, need to either put up are shut up! We will spend years waiting for O’Neill to have another great season just like we have with Dejong!
October 10, 2022 at 9:04 pm #204227BB, Omar Narvaez seems like a Mo acquisition.
October 10, 2022 at 10:40 pm #2042282023 free agents
Odd they have Nolan as a possible opt out FA, but not Correa.Justin Verlander, SP, Houston Astros ($25 million player option) Age: 39 | 2022 Salary: $25,000,000 | Market Value: $41,753,632
2 years high value.
Aaron Judge, OF, New York Yankees Age: 30 | 2022 Salary: $19,000,000 | Market Value: $37,961,027
A man can dream.
Trea Turner, SS, Los Angeles Dodgers Age: 29 | 2022 Salary: $21,000,000 | Market Value: $33,616,679
Again, a man can dream. (Same for Correa.)
Carlos Rodon, SP, San Francisco Giants ($22.5 million player option) Age: 29 | 2022 Salary: $21,500,000 | Market Value: $31,642,069
Too injury prone?
Clayton Kershaw, SP, Los Angeles Dodgers Age: 34 | 2022 Salary: $17,300,000 | Market Value: $31,314,740
A Dodger forever.
Nolan Arenado, 3B, St. Louis Cardinals ($35 million player option) Age: 31 | 2022 Salary: $35,000,000 | Market Value: $28,550,806
Might have to pony up a few more $$$.
Anthony Rizzo, 1B, New York Yankees ($16 million player option) Age: 33 | 2022 Salary: $16,000,000 | Market Value: $23,000,081
Would be an expensive DH/Fill in 1B
Dansby Swanson, SS, Atlanta Braves Age: 28 | 2022 Salary: $10,000,000 | Market Value: $22,238,210
I would like this.
Chris Bassitt, SP, New York Mets ($19 million mutual option) Age: 33 | 2022 Salary: $8,650,000 | Market Value: $20,889,818
2nd pick for a starter after Verlander.
Josh Bell, 1B, San Diego Padres Age: 30 | 2022 Salary: $10,000,000 | Market Value: $18,440,912
Nope
Trey Mancini, 1B, Houston Astros ($10 million mutual option) Age: 30 | 2022 Salary: $7,500,000 | Market Value: $18,117,905
Nope
Andrew Benintendi, OF, New York Yankees Age: 28 | 2022 Salary: $8,500,000 | Market Value: $17,397,505
Nope
Nathan Eovaldi, SP, Boston Red Sox Age: 32 | 2022 Salary: $17,000,000 | Market Value: $16,733,880
Nope
Edwin Diaz, RP, New York Mets Age: 28 | 2022 Salary: $10,200,000 | Market Value: $16,121,033
Nope, not a huge upgrade.
Brandon Belt, 1B, San Francisco Giants Age: 34 | 2022 Salary: $18,400,000 | Market Value: $16,090,407
No fit
Willson Contreras, C, Chicago Cubs Age: 30 | 2022 Salary: $9,625,000 | Market Value: $16,066,514
Would prefer Murphy in a trade or keep Knizner and make a bigger splash.
Noah Syndergaard, SP, Philadelphia Phillies Age: 30 | 2022 Salary: $21,000,000 | Market Value: $15,287,228
Only if cheap 1/2 year bounce back sort of deal.
J.D. Martinez, DH/OF, Boston Red Sox Age: 35 | 2022 Salary: $19,350,000 | Market Value: $15,199,843
DH only. Too many $$$ for what he does now.
Yuli Gurriel, 1B, Houston Astros Age: 38 | 2022 Salary: $8,000,000 | Market Value: $15,167,241
Not a fit.
Jurickson Profar, OF, San Diego Padres ($8.3 million player option) Age: 29 | 2022 Salary: $6,500,000 | Market Value: $14,909,248
No! Remember when he was the next big thing?
Joc Pederson, OF, San Francisco Giants Age: 30 | 2022 Salary: $6,000,000 | Market Value: $14,684,536
A cheap 3/4 OF.
Mitch Haniger, OF, Seattle Mariners Age: 31 | 2022 Salary: $7,750,000 | Market Value: $14,669,293
Maybe, depends on price.
Jameson Taillon, SP, New York Yankees Age: 30 | 2022 Salary: $5,800,000 | Market Value: $14,596,995
Not really an upgrade. Need a 1 or at least a 2.
Brandon Nimmo, OF, New York Mets Age: 29 | 2022 Salary: $7,000,000 | Market Value: $14,111,751
LH hitter, 5.0 WAR, nice choice for right price.
Kenley Jansen, RP, Atlanta Braves Age: 35 | 2022 Salary: $16,000,000 | Market Value: $13,884,487
Too many $$$
Taijuan Walker, SP, New York Mets ($6 million player option) Age: 30 | 2022 Salary: $7,000,000 | Market Value: $13,828,802
Again, not really an upgrade.
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