December 23, 2020 at 3:04 pm #150243
The Cardinals certainly hold their own with the “big boys” when it comes to overall revenue so even if the Cardinals are technically not in a “large market” based on population an argument could be made they are a “large revenue” team, which is something to be proud of instead of run away from.
I don’t know what Tampa spends on scouting and development but they certainly seem to win their share of trades. It is uncanny how they do it.December 23, 2020 at 3:15 pm #150245
One other thing I would like to add is when I praise another front office it doesn’t mean I am a fan of that team or I am being disloyal to the Cardinals. I like studying businesses to see what the successful ones are doing or not doing, whether it is baseball or not.
The Cardinals were considered to be the model MLB franchise about ten years ago and hopefully they can get back to that. Their model the last few years have been try to build a 87-89 win team each year. That is not a terrible model but isn’t very exciting. The plusses are:
1. A winning season each year.
2. It creates enough fan interest to keep the turnstiles turning and the revenue coming in (unless something like covid happens).
3. It puts you in a position to be in the playoff hunt so if you get in and get hot you might go all the way.
The downside is that a LOT of things have to go right to win a championship.
So if you see me praise someone like Friedman, Epstein, Cashman, or Neander just remember that even if I have something good to say about their business practices I could care less if the Dodgers, Cubs, Yankees, or Rays ever win another game.
I want the Cardinals to learn from their mistakes and get back to being the model franchise.January 15, 2021 at 6:58 am #151767
Today is the day that financial positions for the arbitration-eligible players are shared. In some cases, deals may be announced.
From our Monday team notebook:
1/15/21 Deadline for teams and arbitration eligible players to submit salary figures. The Cardinals have five arbitration eligible players – CF Harrison Bader and RHPs Jack Flaherty, John Gant, Jordan Hicks, and Alex Reyes. All but Gant are first-time arbitration eligible. Gant, who is in his second year of eligibility, has already reached agreement with the Cardinals on a 2021 contract, avoiding arbitration. John Brebbia was originally in this group as well, but was instead non-tendered and has since signed with San Francisco. Hearings will occur in February for players who have not yet come to terms with their employer.January 15, 2021 at 10:51 am #151817
I guess we can expect Flaherty to go to a hearing for sure.January 15, 2021 at 11:01 am #151818
I would be stunned if that does not occur.January 15, 2021 at 11:14 am #151823
MLBTR has Reyes agreeing to 0.9mil and Gant at 2.1milJanuary 15, 2021 at 11:15 am #151824
Gant’s deal was announced several weeks ago. Reyes would be new news.January 15, 2021 at 11:17 am #151825
They estimated $1.0-1.2M for Reyes and $1.5-1.9M for Gant this past fall. Not sure how that falls with others who have signed early, but the estimates they have may be a touch low.January 15, 2021 at 11:18 am #151827
Ok, sorry for the repetition.January 15, 2021 at 11:27 am #151828January 15, 2021 at 12:09 pm #151831
same source, Bader 2milJanuary 15, 2021 at 1:17 pm #151836January 15, 2021 at 2:50 pm #151838
Jordan Hicks, Cards settle at $862,500
— Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) January 15, 2021January 15, 2021 at 2:58 pm #151839
MLBTR estimated $1.2-1.7M for Bader and $900K for Hicks. Seems like the guys with no health issues have gotten more than the estimates and the ones with some missing time have been less. It would bode well for Flaherty, if he wasn’t super likely to go to arbitration. I’ll be curious what his side submits.January 15, 2021 at 3:11 pm #151845
The #stlcards will not need salary hearings with Harrison Bader, Alex Reyes and Jordan Hicks, as 2021 salary agreements with the trio have been struck. However, Jack Flaherty is headed for arbitration. (free) https://t.co/Vj3NLxZQzj pic.twitter.com/hg7V9CsVM1
— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 15, 2021January 15, 2021 at 7:48 pm #151907
Jack Flaherty filed for $3.9 million, while the Cardinals countered at $3 million. Midpoint: $3.45 million.
— Mark Feinsand (@Feinsand) January 16, 2021January 15, 2021 at 8:34 pm #151910
The midpoint doesn’t really matter, right? I thought one side or the other just wins when you go to arbitration?January 15, 2021 at 8:38 pm #151911BlackHillsCardParticipantFree
Jeff Passan’s numbers from the Cardinals are slightly higher:
Correa: ask $12.75M, offer $9.75M
— Jeff Passan (@JeffPassan) January 16, 2021January 16, 2021 at 6:41 am #151921
Thanks for the info, BHC. Any feeling which source is correct? The Post-Dispatch said their “sources” indicate $3 MM. Separately, so did Nightengale.
That may or may not mean anything. I suspect a lot of times the national guys say they have their own sources when they are just parroting each other to make it appear less clear that they were scooped… Just a suspicion that was really locked in when Jon Heyman said he verified Hairston’s casino BS story, then even after it was debunked, he refused to back down and blocked anyone who questioned him.
stlcard25, you are correct. The midpoint is irrelevant. In the hearing, one side will be chosen over the other – no compromise.January 16, 2021 at 8:10 am #151926blingboyParticipantPaid - Annual
An agreement normally happens before the arb hearing actually occurs. And isn’t it normally at or very near the midpoint which ends up agreed upon?January 16, 2021 at 9:23 am #151928
Blingboy, from Brian’s article, they have a policy that negotiating stops as of yesterday:
The Cardinals further the resolution process via an organization policy (which many other teams follow as well) set several years ago generically called “File and Trial.” Essentially, the team cuts off negotiations from today forward, instead intending to take the player to hearing next month because there was no agreement by now, rather than continuing to negotiate in the interim.January 16, 2021 at 10:17 am #151931blingboyParticipantPaid - Annual
That had slipped my mind. The thinking used to be the org wanted to avoid trashing the player’s qualities in an adversarial hearing since he is their property, and the player wasn’t anxious to have it laid out either. I guess that was the old days.January 16, 2021 at 10:19 am #151933BlackHillsCardParticipantFree
Passan has been very spot on the last few years and has gotten some big scoops, but who knows.
It appears the Cards are foregoing their file and trial approach this year with Flaherty. They wouldn’t have exchanged numbers if they going to do that.January 16, 2021 at 10:22 am #151934
The new way is to use the threat of a hearing to push the player to agree to terms by the January deadline. It worked except for a baker’s dozen of MLB players, including Flaherty, which was pretty much a given.January 16, 2021 at 10:26 am #151936
It appears the Cards are foregoing their file and trial approach this year with Flaherty. They wouldn’t have exchanged numbers if they going to do that.
That is not how it works. The two sides were required to exchange amounts by yesterday. That is the impending event that caused the other deals to get done.
Everything I have read and heard leads me to believe the Cardinals are still a file and trial team. And I would be amazed if Flaherty would settle.
In other words, I would give the odds of a February hearing to be about 99%.
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