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    I’d be willing to bet that a team can get Goldschmidt if they are also willing to take Greinke.

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    I’d be willing to bet that a team can get Goldschmidt if they are also willing to take Greinke.

    If someone from the Houston organization said that Arizona will not trade Goldschmidt, they are assuming that the Cardinals will not take Greinke. And that would be correct if 1. St. Louis will not take on Greinke’s contract or 2. Greinke won’t approve a trade to St. Louis.

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    If the cards have to take greinke to get goldschmidt maybe that would be a place to get rid of fowler. Assuming both greinke and fowler would wave their ntc.

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    I wonder if we would trade for Greinke with the understanding that then we would trade him to a third team, do a three team deal so that everybody gets something…

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    Did Morosi take a long Thanksgiving break or something?

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    You hate trade season don’t you Brian?

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    Maybe it’s a newer discussion. Even so, this one needs to get done. Goldy would slot in to form a good top of the lineup. A closer to 2017 than 2018 season from Ozuna would make it very good.

    Get it done, Mo.

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    Did you see in Goold’s chat yesterday any mention of talks with Arizona heating up? I did not, but maybe I missed it.

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    gscottar, I don’t hate the trade/free agent season. I follow it very closely and find it very interesting. But there are certainly elements that I dislike. Most prominently fake news or should I say many people’s inability to distinguish between writers wondering about potentials and real news reporting. The instant nature of social media often leads to jumping before thinking. Then people get all lathered up over something of no real significance. JMO.

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    Getting ‘lathered up’ is kind of fun, Brian.

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    The 24 hour news cycle perpetutates some of this. MLB TV and MLB Radio have to have content to fill up all of their time slots so their will be endless talk about potential moves we are already familiar with. Their is also endless talk of stuff like rule changes, individual awards, hall of fame voting, none of which I have any interest in.

    We all follow baseball for different reasons besides the games themselves. Some like awards, some like the minor leagues and obsessing over prospects, some like trade season, etc…. To each his own I guess.

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    We come at these matters from a different perspective. Perhaps some of my apparent cautiousness is because my name (and therefore indirectly my reputation) is attached to what I say and I want to be more than an irrational ranter (not pointing at anyone here). I try to be a voice of reason and encourage the readers to think more broadly as well, by explaining WHY my view is what it is.

    For example, it is easy to pound the front office for being “asleep” every time another team gets a player, but there are always multiple angles to any situation. Take Segura. It is very clear he was not a fit for the Cards, yet some were upset that the front office apparently did not try to get him.

    Of course, there will be differing points of view. That is expected.

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    I am not endorsing this guy, but he is getting a lot of attention. He also has 118,000 Twitter followers. So there is that. As can be expected, many have very high spirits as a result of this Tweet.

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    The game of “Twitter telephone” has begun. Guessing his source is named “Incarcerated Bob”!

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    Hmm…well, I wouldn’t give up Flaherty for just about anyone, but if they can get a reasonable extension (like a 3-$90M or something, not a crazy deal of 5 years or longer) done I’d be ok with giving up either Hicks or Hudson. We shall see.

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    I wouldn’t include Hudson or Hicks with Flaherty’s name. That’s absurd.

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    Didn’t Scott Wuerz used to write for the Belleville papaer sports department? I remember him from somewhere.

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    I really like O’Neill too. Kelly or Knizner are fine to trade as is Hudson, Hicks, or Weaver.

    I hope we go after Andrew Miller, Zach Britton, or David Robertson next.

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    i am not sure how much i would give up for a 1 year rental, rather just sign Harper…

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    Langosch included multiple times in her article yesterday about the calculus of trading “first round picks.” What if Gorman is part of the return, *if* Goldy is traded with an extension as part of the package??

    3B is probably the most loaded position in the minors now but a talent like that would be hard to part with.

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    Yes, Wuerz was laid off by the paper some time back but still writes the “Cheap Seats Blog” they post on the paper’s website. He was one who wrote about Segura, and last week posted about how the Cards should trade for Arenado, which would be cool if he was actually available. I find his opinions can be out there a ways.

    I was not intending to call attention to the names he mentioned and certainly do not give them any credence. It was to the fact he is furthering the “big move is coming soon” rumor – without being specific in any way. He didn’t even mention Goldschmidt by name.

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    When is the last time an elite player forgo free agency to sign an extension while being traded? That rarely ever happens and I would be surprised if it happened in this case although I would love to get Goldschmidt.

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    Ferrin Talks Goldschmidt

    This guy says that Goldschmidt’s new agent has a reputation for steering his clients towards big markets. Implies that is involved with AZ decision to cut bait as to why they wont be able to re-sign him. Of course if true, STL would have the same problem.

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    From a new Goold article regarding Goldschmidt posted a half-hour ago:

    “There was no indication from sources that any move was imminent, only that the Cardinals are looking for clarity in the coming days as next week’s winter meetings approach.”

    “While not speaking specifically about Greinke or any other pitcher, the Cardinals have said they would prefer not to absorb a high-dollar pitcher given the depth they already have at the position.”

    Basically, the same thing he has been saying for days.

    https://www.stltoday.com/sports/baseball/professional/birdland/hot-stove-update-cardinals-explore-goldschmidt-trade-look-for-market/article_ede5a2c2-55da-537f-87d8-2d623517309f.html

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