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I didn’t see the farm system ranking here. Did anyone else?
The @MLBPipeline midseason prospect re-rank is out & the #STLCards have 6 of MLB's top 100 prospects, led of course by future star Jordan Walker. Read more here about the Cardinals top 30 prospects & where their farm system ranks in all of baseball. Story: https://t.co/F4LNm3CuwU
— John Denton (@JohnDenton555) August 17, 2022
Nope, the only thing resembling a system ranking I saw was the “weighed ranking” where the Cards weren’t mentioned. Most of the Cardinals prospects were in the 80-100 range, with the exception of Walker and Winn.
Dont follow their arrival time logic. Hence is 3 years younger, 2 levels lower, ranked lower, but hás the same arrival year as Graceffo? I also cant see Willis arriving the same year as Hjerpe or his draft counterparts. Meijia in 2028 assumes only 1 levels a year for 6 years which would be extremely tarde and long for a top 10 prospect.
Sometimes I think prospects, mostly pitchers, are babied too much. Unless a pitcher is recovering from injury, and is very successful, he should be challenged at the next level higher. Maybe the brass is correctly handling Hence, but IMO, he should be in Peoria now.
They didn’t baby Graceffo and McGreevy, nor did they move Thompson and Liberatore slowly before, so there must be a specific reason for Hence. One difference is that Hence was a high schooler.
I guess teams view young prospects as investments now. And some of the young kids I mentioned could have been dealing with a minor injury. I would like to have seen a less restrictive pitch count and/or innings limit for Hence and Willis, and a quicker promotion for Paniaugua.
Moises Gomez almost not making it onto the Top 30??
No Julio E. Rodriguez in the top 30??
Seventeen-year-old Jonathan Mejia ranked number 10??
19 pitchers in top 30.
The Cards improved from 16th this spring to 13th now.
https://www.mlb.com/news/farm-system-rankings-2022-midseason
MLB Pipeline has dropped the Cardinals system down to no. 22. That is WAY down from their #9 this spring. Ouch.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-pipeline-2023-midseason-system-rankings
We can see the problem in the upper levels and there is no real reason to think it would not extend down through the less visible levels. The bottom line is Mo’s system is a failed system. That is not something which is likely to be effectively addressed this winter.
Not sure where I read it but read that Hence’s motion was high arm stress which is why they built him up slowly. Didnt say whether they tweeked his motion tô reduce that stress
The Post-Dispatch buried the 9-22 drop news at the end of a story about many prospects in the system…
CC, here is what a scout replied when I asked about Hence in the AFL last fall.
Perhaps another motivation for his short outings is to save bullets for later. One scout made a general observation, saying, “There’s only so much life in some of these arms. Throwing 100 in the minors can take its toll later.”
So we now have the 22nd best farm system and the big league club has the 26th best record in mlb? What a combination.
How could Bill Dewitt have confidence in his front office? So this all Marmol’s fault? What am I missing here?
One wonders if Mo’s system is as bad at developing managers and coaches as it is at developing players.
I’d say 22 is about right for us, unfortunately. Might be few ticks higher, though.
Between graduations, injuries, and disappointing performances this is our current state of Cardinal nation. I am optimistic however about our lower level pitching depth. But that doesn’t help us now.
No, it’s still certainly a top 10 system, roughly in the 7-9 range by my estimation. Recall that before the season a poll of MLB executives placed the Cards firmly inside the top 5. Link: https://www.mlb.com/news/mlb-front-office-selections-best-farm-systems?t=mlb-pipeline-coverage
Winn has confirmed himself as a top 10 overall prospect — remove the first few weeks of the season and the 21-year-old belongs in the top 3 overall — and there are 4 or 5 other top 100 types in Hence, Saggese, Herrera, Bernal, and probably Graceffo. Top 150 would include Max Rajcic and Jimmy Dale Crooks III, and a top 200 has McGreevy and perhaps Bedell and Victor Scott II. Maybe Tekoah Roby, I guess.
That’s between 9 and 12 top-200 types. That’s distinctly above average depth, anchored by an uber-elite talent in Mr. Winn. And if you think Winn belongs where the national voices have ranked him (top 30-50 range), just take ten minutes and compare him head-to-head with the other elite minor league shortstops. Among Mason’s shortstop peers, only Matt Holliday’s son profiles better, and Jordan Lawlar is his only equal.
Some of the shortstops rated above Winn are in fact worse at hitting, worse at fielding, and worse at baserunning. But they’re ranked higher because they are either more physically imposing or were drafted higher. That’s all. And it’s nonsense, of course.
So #22 is not remotely correct, I’m happy to report. The national guys are wrong about the Redbird system. As usual.
This from an article on Redbird Rants from an eyewitness account of Roby’s debut at Springfield. My emphasis.
“There was no timing play or balance adjustments to give him an edge or to fix a mechanic. It was the same every pitch and never altered.”
One of those things that used to be known but isn’t anymore is that the problem with a repeatable delivery is that it is always the same from the batter’s perspective too. Barney Shultz used to talk about that. He used to say it helps when you’re a young pitcher but hurts once you’re facing better hitters.
It will be interesting to see if he runs into trouble higher up like some other guys have.
Three #STLCards are top 100 national prospects per MLB Pipeline.
43. Masyn Winn
64. Tink Hence
99. Tekoah Robyhttps://t.co/RY7AyUaVF2— Brian Walton (@B_Walton) January 27, 2024
Three #STLCards are top 100 national prospects per MLB Pipeline.
How good has MLB Pipeline been in recent years at picking winners? Anybody have any idea?
So the Cards have three guys in the bottom half of this list. Does that mean they have a good shot at glory, or does it mean that they are likely future utility men/middle relievers?
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