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MLB Pipeline released their Top 100 Prospects tonight. Only 2 Cardinals made the list:
33 Alex Reyes
61 Nolan GormanThe MLB guys joined the Baseball Prospectus guys in bearish on the Cardinals prospects.
Padres have 10 ranked. Here is the list by team. MLB keeps tweeting the link to the main top 100 page that is blank.
https://www.mlb.com/news/mlbs-top-100-prospects-list-for-2019/c-303182822?tid=151437456
Knizner is no. 3 on their new Cardinals list…
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There were some pretty interesting tidbits in those profiles, you can tell a lot of work was done scouting even the lower level guys. Compared to Fangraphs, Mlb pipeline gives our players higher overall grades. For example, you have to go to our 26th overall prospect in Jake Woodford to find an overall grade lower than 45. In contrast, Fangraphs didn’t even give Elehuris Montero a 45 overall and I believe he was ranked in our top five by them. Maybe Fangraphs are tougher graders than Mlb pipeline?
Perhaps Fangraphs is a tougher grader, but if so, they are tougher for all prospects. Otherwise, why do they have three Cardinals in their national top 100 while MLB Pipeline has just two?
Looking at our system now, and in the recent 6 years or so when we were number 1, it seems like it was a story of continued success, but disappointing in terms of what prospects like Rosenthal, Siegrist, Adams had, but seemed to flame out early. I almost want to say maybe we weren’t a number 1 system, but solid top 6-8 as I look at it now. However, I feel pretty good about our current talent. A lot hinges on players not even in full season ball yet, or very recently. And a lack of pitching at the lower levels is concerning.In addition, I love our logjam of pitching at upper levels, which some players may not be counted towards these lists, or won’t after this season. But many will be under control for many years, which should allow young players to grow without being rushed.
Are there any lists that show average 40 man roster age? I would think the Cards should be in the top 10, if not higher.
gscottar shared this on another thread.
Gorman 31
Carlson 52A mix of new and familiar faces atop our freshly re-ranked list of #MLB's Top 100 prospects.
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— MLB Pipeline (@MLBPipeline) July 27, 2019
MLB Pipeline will reveal its 2020 Top 100 Prospects list with a one-hour show on MLB Network and MLB.com, which will be broadcast on Saturday, January 25 at 3 p.m. ET.
Here is where the new list will be when they announce it.
So MLB Pipeline has been announcing their Top 10 Prospect By Position for 2020. Here are the Cardinals Prospects who made the lists:
OF Dylan Carlson – 5th
3B Nolan Gorman – 4th
LHP Matt Liberatore – 6th3 Cardinals prospects made MLB Pipeline’s Top 100 Prospects
Dylan Carlson #17
Nolan Gorman #47
Matthew Liberatore #58I’ve skimmed over their top 100 list, and I stand behind my stance that Ivan Herrera should be in the top 100, without a doubt.
A perfect example of a prospect he should be ahead of is Miguel Amaya, Cubs Catching prospect ranked in the 90’s. Herrera is younger and already has better production at the plate and both finished in A+.
He will get on it next year if he continues to improve behind the plate and doesn’t fall back with the bat at all. Hopefully he knows to be Yadi’s shadow and a sponge in ST also.
Interested to see where he starts…. back to A+ or moved to Springfield?
I’ve skimmed over their top 100 list, and I stand behind my stance that Ivan Herrera should be in the top 100, without a doubt.
It goes to show the clear bias that exists in these lists against Cardinals prospects. Bob Reed has documented it many times but it seems like they are continually underrated as all the prospect “gurus” are shocked when they become good major league ball players.
While I get the ongoing feelings of bias against the Cardinals and the high level of excitement by some over Herrera, it is far from a consensus view. You, as our community, collectively voted Herrera no. 6 in the Cardinals system for 2020. Surely you (other than Bob Reed, perhaps) don’t think six Cardinals should be in the national top 100, do you?
I agree it isn’t a consensus view (even if I wish it was). I think there is a 50/50 chance Herrera makes Fangraphs’ The Board top 100. If they stick with approximately the same grade distribution as last year, his 50 FV would place somewhere between approximately 50 and 125 overall.
It’s easy to criticize their evaluations of J. Williams, A. Rondon, and I think there were a few others. But I think they are rightfully ahead of the curve on this one.
I am not sure Herrera belongs in he top 100, bt Amaya does not seem to belong either. And Herrera seems to be a better prospect overall. Both players defense needs work. Nice to hear that Herrera is said to be a hard worker, and listens to his coaches.
Only 31 of the Pipeline top 50 MLB prospects have ETAs of 2020. White Sox and Braves have 3 each in that category.
I count 7 in our top-25 with ETAs of 2020. Some will arrive and others won’t but using the ETAs is another factor in rating the system at the present.
(copied from the affiliates thread)
As discussed somewhere around here, the ability for teams to only add two additional players in September is going to have a very substantial negative impact on MLB debuts starting this season.
Wouldn’t have made more sense to have set the number at 29/30? However there already will be prospects/rookies on the big team’s roster due to injuries (fake or not) etc.
While I get the ongoing feelings of bias against the Cardinals and the high level of excitement by some over Herrera, it is far from a consensus view. You, as our community, collectively voted Herrera no. 6 in the Cardinals system for 2020. Surely you (other than Bob Reed, perhaps) don’t think six Cardinals should be in the national top 100, do you?
I agree that the Cards system is not that strong. However, with the benefit of being able to read up on each prospect and how they are viewed by scouts and the team, I would probably rate Herrera 4th in my rankings, ahead of Montero at 5th and Knizner at 6th. It seems as though reports on Herrera are glowing and Knizner’s glove looks like it will always be below average at catcher. I don’t think Montero is a top 100 guy after his injury plagued 2019 but he could pop back in with a good season next year. Herrera should slot in, and you know for sure he would if he was a prospect for the Yankees, Cubs or Dodgers.
I look over TCN Top 50 and I see a whole lot of players who will play at the major league level. I could see some of them becoming impact players.
14NyquisT wrote:
Wouldn’t have made more sense to have set the number at 29/30? However there already will be prospects/rookies on the big team’s roster due to injuries (fake or not) etc.
In recent years, the Cardinals have had 3-4 MLB players ready to come off the IL when rosters expand on September 1. (That is also when minor league seasons end and there is nowhere for the players to rehab in live games.) If that pattern continues, there will actually be fewer minor leaguers around in September than in August. And certainly, way fewer than in prior years when there were 35 or more players active. Further, there will be few if any final month additions to get a cup of coffee. This will hurt bad teams more than good ones.
In terms of the 29/30 question, my guess is this was not about optimizing rosters or speeding up games in September, but instead about saving enough money to cover the extra expense for the 26th man for the first five months.
I am not sure Herrera belongs in he top 100, bt Amaya does not seem to belong either. And Herrera seems to be a better prospect overall. Both players defense needs work. Nice to hear that Herrera is said to be a hard worker, and listens to his coaches.
I was saying last night after they announced that Herrera was a better prospect than Amaya.
BHC, where did you see that? MLB TV or MLB.com?
I would have Herrera ranked right around Liberatore, very slightly above likely, both on the Cards list and in the top 100. Not just due to the TINSTAAPP ideology.
MLB Pipeline has their new Cardinals top 30. Here are 1-10.
Carlson
Gorman
Liberatore
Herrera
Thompson
Knizner
Montero
Torres
Cabrera
Fernandez
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