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  • #97501
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    There should be some kind of tiered payroll system for milb players. Something like:

    $40k for DSL players
    $45k for GSL players
    $50K for Rookie League players
    $55k for Advance Rookie League players
    $60k for Low A players
    $65k for High A players
    $75k for AA players
    $100k for AAA players

    That would be somewhere in the neighborhood of $17.5 million per year, or $1M more than Dexter Fowler makes each season.

    #97519
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    That would represent about a 1000% raise, I don’t think that’s happening.

    I can’t believe that MiLB players still aren’t paid for Spring Training. That’s absurd, and it irritates the Major Leaguers (they end up footing the bill for outings with MiLB guys – and the bullpen catchers are usually pretty well-taken care of by the MLB pitchers in camp).

    The momentum is starting on this, but it will move slowly. I think we should see more teams follow the Blue Jays with their pay raises.

    #97524
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    I could see something closer to half of what Gscottar suggested…$20K for DSL, $25K for GCL and SS A, $40K for A and A+, $50K for AA, $60K for AAA. These are typically young people right out of high school or college and the higher level guys take several years to advance that far. Just like in non sports situations, no one expects entry level employees to make huge $$, but they should make a livable wage based on their experience and the commitment they’re expected to have to team related activities. As such, wages increase with experience, talent and expectations.

    The main reason that it is not done differently right now in MiLB is “because they can.” That is what needs to change.

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    Are you okay with having far less guys in the system, though? Because that trade-off is likely (certain) when you talk about increases that large in pay.

    I’d like to hear from more actual minor leaguers on that. There are a lot of musicians who choose to chase their dreams for far less.

    I’m probably okay with it, but it’s not cut and dry.

    #97527
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    Define “far less.” IMO any major reduction in staffing would be relatively short lived. Some team would exploit the market efficiency and expand their budget and then other teams would follow. Maybe not all, but the teams that care about winning would.

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    Hard to say what far less would look like, but I’m thinking one team, for sure would be gone, if not more.

    If the onus was put on the local minor league teams to pay these increases, many would go belly up. So that’s probably a non-starter.

    If the onus is on the MLB teams, they’d just put the new numbers into their cost/benefit analyses, and figure out what stays and what goes. They already are doing this, rich and poor teams alike. So thinking that a 500% labor cost increase wouldn’t affect the number of players carried in the minors, short or long term, defies plain logic of that.

    They would draft less players, and just trim from the bottom. Almost none of those players provide any long-term WAR anyway, but under that system, Mike Piazza is an insurance guy from Racine and not Hall of Fame catcher.

    #97529
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    I was wrong on one point mentioned on this thread – MLB players are still talking strike, but I will put that info on the correct thread, as it has nothing to do with minor leaguers.

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    $20k in the Dominican would be like $100k in the GCL in terms of spending power. It wont be that high. Plus I am pretty sure Dominican league players get room and board at the academies.

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    #102547
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    Can minor leaguers sign with a club, then be guaranteed a certain minimum salary? To make up an example, Malcom Nunez signs for $300k, but is guaranteed x amount in one level, y amount in the next, etc. That doesn’t give the lower leverage (college seniors) guys much help though.

    #102548
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    It’s a slippery slope. You have the bonus babies but the low rounders get next to nothing as far as bonus.

    They’d be almost better off offering larger bonuses to lower round guys and having them sign off on the wages. I mean were not talking 6 figures but it would be hard to say no to a 30K bonus up front if I’m drafted in the later rounds. I mean it happens in the military all the time.

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    $40k for DSL players
    $45k for GSL players
    $50K for Rookie League players
    $55k for Advance Rookie League players
    $60k for Low A players
    $65k for High A players
    $75k for AA players
    $100k for AAA players

    This is not even realistic.

    #102587
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    I didn’t say it was going to happen. I was just pointing out the absurdity of MLB teams saying they can’t afford that when my scenario for 300 minor leaguers equals the salary of ONE very average major league player.

    As stl25 pointed out, cutting my proposal in half would be very doable and give those guys the raise they deserve.

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    #102831
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    I think the players lose the class action certification at the Supreme Court level. Even winning that it then means a fight to prove training time and bus trips constitute work that by law should be compensated. In any case an eventual win will be minor as they are only fighting for minimum wage for those hours (over 40 per week) and the suit only includes A level and below in the states of CA, AZ and FL. This suit by itself will change little in the long run.

    #102832
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    There is the game of perception and the game in the courts. So far, the pressure on MLB to act has been scattered. To change that will take time and many small victories.

    #102893
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    This could actually work against the players. A loss and people will say the “courts have spoken”. A win and people may say “the courts have spoken and now MLB is doing what the law requires”. My point is that tbey are thinking too small. They should be going after something where a win will bring meaningful change.

    #102904
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    We see it differently. If players were worried about a loss, they would have quit trying when “Save Americas Pastime Act” was passed. A group of players of a certain age/vintage are trying to get back pay for elements of the job that have never been covered. What else could they try to do that would be more “meaningful” if they are no longer playing, for example? Note this particular suit was filed in 2014.

    #110328
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    Ignorance en masse.

    #110329
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    It would seem that increasing the minor league salary of players below the AAA level (they make roughly $90k, so not an issue), would give a team a competitive advantage when signing players in the era of hard caps on international player signings.

    Imagine you are the Cardinals, and you have your $5.7 million bonus pool. But you also pay all your DSL, GCL, A, A+ and AA players 50% more than other teams (except the Toronto Blue Jays, who have already adopted such a model). Don’t you think such a team can stretch their bonus pool further and sign higher quality players for a lower bonus pool amount? “We are going to offer you a $500k bonus, but given that you will earn 50% more than your peers, it is really like a $650k bonus over your first four years.”

    By making it across the board, nobody can accuse you of shenanigans, but it would enable a team looking to maximize its bonus pools a competitive advantage over other teams.

    #110330
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    Teams will be reluctant to break ranks from the standard scale. One club, Tampa, if I recall correctly, did make modest increases earlier this year to get the lowest levels at or above minimum wage.

    Not sure where you got $90K from, but that is very high. Players in their first season at Triple-A make $2,150 a month for the five-month season. No pay for spring training.

    #110333
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    Thanks for posting that Brian. I knew what the AAA salaries were and that 90K was UBER high (LOL). I think those on the 40 man rosters in the minors do get a minimum of 40K but the others are ridiculously low and no pay for Spring Training is beyond ridiculous. Plus they are tagged for clubhouse fees. They live below the level of college students and receive a lot of meals courtesy of community merchants.

    #110350
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    I am not defending the Yankee fans for taunting Mr. Dobnak but I must say that the fact they actually knew he used to be an uber driver is kind of impressive.

    I can tell you that after wearing a Cardinals hat in the Wrigley Field bleachers a few times there are worse things to be called than uber.

    #110354
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    A player in Double-A will earn approximately $6,000 a month on average, and those in Triple-A (the players most likely to be developed into Major League talent) average about $10,000 a month. It’s not major league money, and many would say that $10,000 a month would allow you to live comfortably, but remember, the seasons in the minors are shorter than those in MLB.

    From Forbes

    #110362
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    The same article also qualifies that information with this statement:

    Salaries are different between the classes in the minors, and it is here that the complexities arise. The information provided shows average salary, but the mean of the these brackets can be skewed by a small number of players earning higher pay, unlike median salary which would have largely normalized the data.

    The point is there are two kinds of players at Triple-A – guys who have been there and guys who haven’t. For example, if one veteran (say with MLB experience) makes $20K per month and four others make $2.5K each (still above minimum), that averages $6K per player. One is paid well and four are not.

    But even if $10K average is accurate, that is $50K per season, not $90K. And Double-A would be $30K per season. Players are paid for April thru August.

    In the Cardinals system, about 80% of the Minor Leaguers are below Triple-A and Double-A.

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