February 15, 2020 at 8:52 am #122497
The first reported problem from camp occurred before position players are required to report…
My translation: If Mikolas can’t throw now, and the first game is in a week, then yes, his spring debut will almost certainly be delayed. If Mikolas was sore coming out of last season and is still affected now, this may not go away anytime soon.
One thing that is clear to me – the value of KK Kim just bumped up a notch.
Miles Mikolas isn’t throwing his bullpen today and is on a slower program. Shildt said he had an issue with his flexor tendon in his right forearm, and “it’s possible” he might be delayed in spring games. #stlcards
— Anne Rogers (@anne__rogers) February 15, 2020
Miles Mikolas’ program has been slowed, part of a plan to accommodate for the sore flexor he had coming out of last season. I asked if he might be delayed for Grapefruit games, and Shildt said it’s possible. #cardinals #MLB
— Derrick S. Goold (@dgoold) February 15, 2020February 15, 2020 at 9:13 am #122500bccranParticipant
What’s that old adage? You can never have enough pitching?February 15, 2020 at 9:46 am #122504stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
Forearm soreness? We can guess what that usually means. Good thing we signed KK and have some options on guys between the pen and rotation.February 15, 2020 at 9:58 am #122505
Mikolas had soreness at times last season. At end of playoffs, had PRP injection and was prescribed rest. Threw bullpen, now has a familiar soreness along flexor. Is likely headed for an MRI for greater clarity. #cardinals https://t.co/EKGRv4gxYu
— Derrick S. Goold (@dgoold) February 15, 2020February 15, 2020 at 10:28 am #122506Cardinals27ParticipantPaid - Annual
One thing I feel confident in, is our starting pitching depth. Hopefully, this just delays his ST debut. There are a lot of pitchers on a starters program to start ST, so this might give more innings to the competition.February 15, 2020 at 11:39 am #122509
Another update suggests TJS may not be needed…
Shildt said Mikolas has had imaging which shows his elbow ligaments are in tact. The flexor issue is something he pitched through at the end of last season and was treated with an injection at the end of the year. He’s on no-throw for a period TBD. #stlcards
— Jeff Jones (@jmjones) February 15, 2020February 15, 2020 at 11:56 am #122510mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
Thanks for the update.February 15, 2020 at 12:24 pm #122513CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
4 months rest didnt help the problem? Not good.February 15, 2020 at 12:39 pm #122514
He compared it to a football player on a reconstructed ACL and the time it takes the ligament to acclimate to the explosive actions required in football. Similar, he says, with a baseball pitcher and his tendon tissue.
Says he was eager and may have ramped back up too quickly.
— Brenden Schaeffer (@bschaeffer12) February 15, 2020February 15, 2020 at 1:12 pm #122522kscardfanParticipantFree
Not sounding good. But unlike the OF a lil more proven quality in the SP depth.February 15, 2020 at 7:32 pm #122551
Agreed with the comment on 4 months.
Also this was an issue at the end of the year and they didn’t test it over the winter.
This feels like a surgery is a out to happen. They have barely been there and doing any work and he’s already sore.
Looks like CMart will be in almost no matter what. Then we have to go to Kim or Ponce.
Jack HUD waino Cmart Ponce/Kim
Jack hud waino Ponce Kim
Doesn’t look to scary.
We may never see Mikolas 2018 but he was solid and stabilizing.
Jack is a out the only thing stable in the rotation. And that’s a lot to ask of a kid. Hud is sophomore. Waino is a coinflip. Ponce CMart Kim and the rest are question marks.February 15, 2020 at 9:21 pm #122557RatsbuddyParticipantFree
Isnt it about time for Alex Reyes to have some sort of small issue? Then somehow it turns into surgery and he misses six months.
I am just waiting for that to happen…….
r/Esteemed RatFebruary 15, 2020 at 9:54 pm #122558CardsFanInChiTownParticipantFree
They definitely need the 2015-17 CMart to come back. He could be a true Co-ace if he can, or he could end up in the pen, huge variance of outcomes to say the least.
Helsley is someone that could be in the conversation but doesn’t get much fanfare. He probably has the highest upside of anyone except Reyes and CMart and I wouldn’t hate it if he got a look to be the 5th starter.
If all else fails, Ponce will be there to be an above average back end starter.February 15, 2020 at 10:20 pm #1225591982 willieParticipantPaid - Annual
I don’t understand this. with all the medical tech we have, that this couldn’t have gotten fixed after the season. instead of giving 4 months and wait til spring training to find out its still sore, how bout giving him a month then work him out and if its sore, then go through the medical stuff. if something doesn’t heal itself in one month with rest, its not going away in 4.February 15, 2020 at 10:49 pm #122561CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
Not a doctor but scar tissue without a tear doesn’t sound right to me.February 15, 2020 at 11:59 pm #122570mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
Lets not forget about Austin Gomber.February 16, 2020 at 8:59 am #122588
If the team was really supremely confident with all the options after Mikolas they wouldn’t have gotten Kim or at least not given such a talk about him being a possible starter.
The only move they really made was for Kim. I think that speaks to the lack of confidence with those other options.
Having said that. I’d have rather gone with and trusted our depth in pitching and instead made a move for the offense as we have a much better track record for producing capable starters for pitching rather than productive impact offensive threats.February 16, 2020 at 9:46 am #122595
Most of the talk around the Kim acquisition was insurance in case Carlos Martinez’ shoulder will not allow him to start. This is still an open question until he proves otherwise.
Worst case for the Cardinals rotation is if neither Martinez nor Mikolas can start. Then, Kim and one other would presumably start. Candidates would include Gomber, Ponce de Leon, Cabrera and others.February 16, 2020 at 10:01 am #122597jj-cf-stlParticipantPaid - Annual
BW, Is Gant going to be stretched out as a SP again this ST?February 16, 2020 at 10:22 am #122601
Yes, Gant is one of the 12 or 13 pitchers being worked as a starter. My guess, though, it that he will be assigned to the pen again for the regular season, though maybe that is unfairly counting him out of the spring starter competition. I am guessing the same for Helsley, since they both were good in relief last year.February 16, 2020 at 2:41 pm #122637mspaidParticipantFree
How long before we hear the S word?February 16, 2020 at 3:44 pm #122643
Saw he was officially shutdown earlier today. I thought it was just evaluation.February 17, 2020 at 9:14 am #122666
Mikolas hasn’t yet pitched a day on his new contract and it is already being called a bust. Going forward, some amazing predictive powers here. Going backward, I am still looking for any earlier article criticizing the deal when it was signed a year ago…
— News-Democrat (@bellevillenewsd) February 17, 2020February 17, 2020 at 11:27 am #122672Cardinals27ParticipantPaid - Annual
Like a lot of extensions given recently by our FO, it was too many years given. One year less, and a buyout option would have been more practical, At least he didn’t get a no trade clause. They were giving those out like candy for Halloween for a while. Time will tell, as we don’t know the extent of the injury, and/or his recovery time. Certainly not a bust, unless injuries keep being an issue.February 17, 2020 at 11:43 am #122674bccranParticipant
Lot of ifs, ands, and buts but I can’t ever remember as many high ceiling potential starters here, or in the pipeline.
Possible #1-#3 types. Flaherty. Hudson. Martinez. Reyes. Cabrera. Helsley. Rondon. Thompson. Liberatore. Oviedo.
With legitimate #4-#5 guys like Ponce, Gant, Gomber, Woodford, Sanchez, Seijas, Roberts, Locey, Ralston, etc.
Anyone left out? Anyone misclassified?
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