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I will stick to the topic. It was time to move him last year. Now he has negative value. It would cost us to move on from him. Bill doesn’t do losses. See Matt Carpenters last 2 years.
If the Cards had anyone to take Arenado’s salary they should do it. It’s hard to imagine Mo not having to eat $$ to move him unless he gets it really going soon.
What contender wants a third baseman with an OPS+ of 91, declining defense and with a reputation for choking in post and a huge salary? You get to be a contender by not having that guy.
“You get to be a contender by not having that guy”
At least Arenado can’t voice the malcontent story line with any credibility like he did in Colorado. Turns out, you have to be good to have an audience.
The Arenado trade and salary paid itself out fine with his 2021-23 seasons. Yet it’s a handcuff for the future, to be sure. Gorman at 3B would allow Edman to return to his more natural 2B when he gets healthy. $32M would come in handy.
The thing Arenado has going for him is he doesn’t strike out too excessively. He puts it in play. So even though both his BA and SLG are dreadful, he is second on the team in RBI. Burleson contributes above his batting line for the same reason.
He should be in Springfield like Shady says. That bomb he hit deep into the left field box seats was unnecessary.
It’s pretty natural to be frustrated with a player who is taking up a huge chunk of payroll and isn’t producing. Fans do what fans do. Vent.
I’m not saying he’s valuable but Arenado’s salary situation isn’t quite as bad as you make it out. The Cards do owe him $32 million next season, but Colorado is giving us $5 million to offset it to $27 million. Then in 2026, it’s $27 million with the Rockies kicking in another $5 million of that so actually $22 million. In 2027, he drops to $15 million and there’s no portion from the Rockies. So in total, it’s a net $64 million that we owe him over the next 3 seasons. If he keeps giving us a 90 OPS+ with solid defense, that’s definitely an overpay. If he can get that OPS+ to 105-110 range, then we may still come out ahead even in the decline years. However, I agree, if I had it my way I’d rather have Gorman there full time next season and try to improve on our infield defense at 2B.
Maybe Arenado is just not motivated to play for a bad team. If Mo makes big changes and 2025 team is actually good, then NA might be good.
BOCfan, are you and craviduce warming up to Burleson any? Or do you still think he should be batting third for Memphis? Some very poor projection for years from you baseball wizzards on Burly, indeed. lol
blingboy. Arenado making that kind of money and not motivated. If that’s the case. He does need to be moved.
I don’t know Arenado personally, but know a couple of guys who worked with the Rockies while Nado was here. He is definitely a class act. He is a professional and is self motivated. It pains him to struggle like he has, and he works extra to figure things out.
He’s a good guy to have on your team. But if our club stays around .500 or worse, it would be in their best interests to explore a trade for prospects.
This ain’t what the Cardinals want and need out of their high-priced “ace”. If Edman comes back before the trade deadline, the logical move is to trade Arenado for the best starting pitcher they can get. The Cardinals will need to eat a lot of Arenado’s huge salary. Move Gorman to 3B and insert Edman at 2B. The first sentence accentuates one of the reasons for these moves. In addition to the 5th starter quandary. Especially, if Contreras comes back healthy.
I don’t disagree that NA shouldn’t be moved for depth. But his value is LOW and he is costly. Has years left on an expensive contract.
Do not believe it is in this FO’s DNA to pay him/trade partner $15-20million yearly to play for another team. It would take that. And the change of scenery to a real contender could be beneficial for him. Doubt it happens or that the Cards would gain much.
I believe he is a perfectionist doing everything he can to turn it around. That perfectionism can be counter-productive. He’ll never be 27 again. Would guess he’ll improve offensively for stretches. Hope for a better outcome for him and the team, but find him being moved (which would be his decision) unlikely. Too much going against it.
I guess this post really belongs with what’s it going to take to fix the Cardinals, but this talk about trading Atenado is moot. Not going to happen. Move on. If we were serious about winning this season, we would trade for an outfield bat and a 4/5 starter. Now. You have to be willing to trade something of value. Arenado and Goldy have no value. For the right deal everybody is on the table besides Winn Gorman Walker. I probably wouldn’t trade Burleson right now either.But only because we need the bat.
KCB, that doesn’t leave anything on the ML roster that anyone would give a good player for. I assume you would exclude Hence also, so we can just forget about trading for help. We are too thin. We do not have excess anywhere. Guys who ran off the end of the runway last year and snagged a 40 man slot in the horrible Cardinals system are neither the hot commodities we pretend they are, nor likely to be difference makers any time soon or at all. We aren’t going to get anything useful for a Saggese or a Robberse. Things are much, much worse than you think.
Bling-You are probably right. I’m a proponent of sell and rebuild. But I’m just playing the game here. I’m tired of the way they go about it. Wait until the deadline than grab the low lying fruit. If someone has a need for Noot Carlson Tommy Herrera Donovan move them. We over rate all of them for one reason or another.
Yeah, we do have some complimentary players who can play a role on a roster, filling in around the edges. The problem we face is that, while it is always possible to get real lucky on a trade, it is not possible to create value out of nothing. Value has to come from either buying it or developing it. Then you can trade value for value, using excess to fill needs. But we have no excess value anywhere. It has taken years of coasting downhill to get to that point, but we are there.
If someone has a need for Noot Carlson Tommy Herrera Donovan move them. We over rate all of them for one reason or another.
Perhaps we do overrate them, but what exactly are we hoping to get back from trading these guys? More players who project to be just like them? Not sure I see any logic in this sort of thinking (slightly below to average prospect>slightly below to average player?).
You are right Stl. None of them are Brett Wallace Colby Rasmus JD Drew, all of whom we traded. We don’t have the nerve for that sort of thing now. Or the leadership team to be trusted to make those deals
Folks say “trade Arenado” as if it’s a simple thing.
He has a no trade clause. He makes a ton of money. He’s on pace for fewer than 20 HR. He’s a shell of his former self at this point.
So, who would want him? Please, for the love of a Supermodel, those of you saying “trade Arenado”, tell me which team wants him and why?
IMHO, we couldn’t give him away at this point.
You are right Stl. None of them are Brett Wallace Colby Rasmus JD Drew, all of whom we traded. We don’t have the nerve for that sort of thing now. Or the leadership team to be trusted to make those deals
All three of those guys were traded for major league help, and in season (except Drew). Maybe I’m missing something, but I presume you’re looking for trading these guys for prospects? Trading 45-50 grade, cost controlled pros for 45-50 grade prospects rarely nets you a better team in the long run.
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