August 14, 2018 at 9:58 am #65387
yes Webb and Garcia should be packingAugust 14, 2018 at 10:02 am #65388
I would keep Webb over Cecil. Cecil should be DFA’d, or kept in Memphis until the September roster expansion. The only value he has is in one of those blowouts, where he can spare the embarrassment of using Greg Garcia for an inning or two on the mound.
It is all about the contract. There is absolutely positively no other explanation for Cecil to sniff the active roster. If we lose a game because of that **** contract there are going to be some incensed fans.August 14, 2018 at 10:06 am #65391
Matheny would have never brought in Hudson in for high pressure situation he would have stayed with Norris. Matheny is gone. What he could have done or not do with the new bullpen is irrelevant. This team has stability sorely needed. Carp plays first, Wong plays second, Gyorko plays third unless they have a day off. No more Carp at third or second. No more Gyorko at second. Martinez plays RF. The team’s energy level is as high as I have seen in it in along time. Change has brought good things. The revamp of the bullpen and the removal of the manager are both factors in the resurgence.August 14, 2018 at 10:09 am #65393mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
Harsh comment on Cecil, Mike. But I totally agree with you. Maybe the upside to bringing Cecil back is that if they can get a decent outing or two out of him, they might be able to unload him next offseason. Better still, why not try to pass him through waivers? The Dodgers or Nats might claim him. What a thrill that would be! Come on, MO!August 14, 2018 at 10:21 am #65395CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
I send out Ponce instead of Webb. He is not getting any work at the ML level. Give him 2-3 AAA starts until Sept first. Garcia never should have been up in the first place. Massive waste of an off season 40 man roster spot.
August 14, 2018 at 10:48 am #65404Brian WaltonKeymasterPaid - Annual
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The current Memphis rotation:
Not exactly the same as the group that started the season:
GantAugust 14, 2018 at 11:25 am #65406Cardinals27ParticipantPaid - Annual
It’s amazing that we have the pitching depth, and that we are still in the playoff picture. How many other teams could have survived these injuries?August 14, 2018 at 11:41 am #65408thejagerParticipantPaid - Annual
i forgot about gant too… yikes
as for who goes down for Cecil and ONeill
IMO it should be Shreve and AdGarcia
but i have a feeling it will be Webb and AdGarcia
I have been impressed with Webb..Shreve’s homeritis seems to be following him…i kind of lean to webb
and we arent DFA’ing anyone with 2 weeks to expanded rosters and potentially the offseason..if they were going to DFA Cecil they would have done it already
I will hate it if Cecil costs us a game too, but the team is trying to recoup money on that contract and seems willing to give him the offseason to get right for next year to be useful…. we may have to just deal with him in the pen for a few weeks…and to be honest the pen hasnt been worked too heavily and the long arms they have have really helped with that..i think we may not need him anyways…plus it might mean getting Ponce more work…which is a good thing…so if Cecil takes the Ponce unneeded RP role for 2 weeks getting Ponce more work i am fine with thatAugust 14, 2018 at 11:47 am #65410stlcard25ParticipantPaid - Annual
Relievers are so weird anyway. Not that it will happen but there’s a chance Cecil goes back to being a solidly above average reliever next year, which is basically what he was last year. In that case his contract is paying for itself.August 14, 2018 at 11:54 am #65411Cardinals27ParticipantPaid - Annual
I don’t think Shreve can be sent down. Isn’t he out of options?August 14, 2018 at 12:14 pm #6541214NyquisTParticipantPaid - Annual
PICK TWO – THIRD TO BP
Weaver- day to day
Cecil -mid Aug
Too many decision to be made before Sept.August 14, 2018 at 1:28 pm #65419
If you were Shildt and had this much riding on each game would you really trust Cecil enough to put him in a meaningful game the last six weeks of the season? I know that I wouldn’t.
And to think there is any realistic way for Cecil to ever justify his contract is being wildly optimistic to put it kindly.August 14, 2018 at 4:49 pm #65439CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
Another possibile move when Cecil is added is Weaver to the 10 day DL.August 15, 2018 at 9:50 am #65537
The best move would be to stall Cecil until September 1. He could then be activated but we wouldn’t have to use him in a game due to the expanded roster.August 15, 2018 at 3:11 pm #65561August 15, 2018 at 3:21 pm #65569
When asked about Cecil the other day Mo said something to the effect of “I don’t usually try to fix something that isn’t broken but I do feel that he is ready to perform better.” (paraphrased)
Our bullpen has been lights out since the big shakeup so naturally we bring back one of the main culprits of the previous disastrous pen and send out a guy who had yet to give up a run with us. I have to shake my head at this one.August 15, 2018 at 3:28 pm #65571
Because Cecil had a talk with Chris Carpenter about the mental part of pitching and he feels that will make a big difference. Hey if Bader helped DeJong hitting woes maybe this will work too.August 15, 2018 at 4:00 pm #65585thejagerParticipantPaid - Annual
sometimes a bad bullpen makes all parties bad…perhaps all the negative play before Cecil went on the DL was bad for his play getting better
perhaps in a healthier bullpen he will figure it out….sometimes confidence is the thing that is missing, and knowing you have others that will help lift you up sometimes is all you need to go out there and perform
if i remember right, last year once Rosy started to shine and the pen started working itself out of it’s early season funk, including Cecil’s issues, Cecil started to turn it around a bit and ended up with a decent overall season.
maybe the same thing will happen now too? the pen is mighty right nowAugust 15, 2018 at 5:01 pm #65593jj-cf-stlParticipantFree
Matheny was always trying to prove Cecil was a valuable piece in the pen. Considering the pitchers in his pen, it was hard for me to blame him.
Eventually Mathenys options were DFA’d, released, traded, demoted and DL’d, along w/him.
Now the Scildt pen can just wait for appropriate mop-up duty and give Cecil a few batters.August 16, 2018 at 9:27 am #65647
I’m too much of a pragmatist to rely on hoping that Cecil has suddenly resurrected himself from the trash heap of the last two years. We are in a playoff race! This isn’t the time for wishing and hoping. Let’s go with what works!August 16, 2018 at 10:54 am #65660PadsFSParticipantFree
Matheny would have never brought in Hudson in for high pressure situation he would have stayed with Norris. Matheny is gone. What he could have done or not do with the new bullpen is irrelevant.
Matheny never brought in highly ranked starting prospects in high pressure bullpen situations…except Hicks in 2018, Reyes in 2016, Wacha, Martinez, and Siegrist in 2013, and Miller and Rosenthal in 2012. Short memory imo. Schildt is cut from the same cloth.August 16, 2018 at 12:34 pm #65664
Did I say anything about high ranked prospects? Let me make it easy for you Matheny would have stayed with Norris no matter what because he was the closer. Better now?August 16, 2018 at 12:46 pm #65665mudvilleParticipantPaid - Annual
Holland is out from under the tutelage of MM, and hasn’t given up a run in his 5 outings with the Nats. Could the same happen with Cecil?August 16, 2018 at 4:06 pm #65673BlackHillsCardParticipantFree
Holland had a stint with the Cards where he went 6.2 IP in 8 straight games without giving up a run. Then he gave up 5 runs in 0.2 IP. He’s a ticking time bomb.August 19, 2018 at 12:24 pm #65945jj-cf-stlParticipantFree
There is some twitter talk of weaver joining the pen and ponce taking his rotation spot.
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