Free agent Steven Matz

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  • #177653
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    I have a feeling that those five Gold Gloves and Yadi are what truly sealed this deal for the Cardinals. Just think if you’re a pitcher and you can get that kind of support behind you. Playing in St. Louis will probably extend Matz’ career 2 or 3 years. I’d be willing to bet that his ERA lives below 4.00 while he’s pitching in ‘da Lou.
    I get the idea that the Mets felt ‘put down’ when it was really only a business decision by Matz.

    #177669
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    I still think the Cardinals got a fantastic deal for the money. A new comparison: the Red Sox just signed Paxton to a deal, 10 mil guaranteed for this next year, then option to add 2 years and 25mil to deal. This Paxton that blew out during his 2nd start and had his 2nd Tommy John surgery and will be out the first few months of the year and has seemed to not be able to get through a full season without breaking down.

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    A lot of these guys that are getting high-dollar 1 and 2 yr deals like Syndergaard (’16: 155 ERA+), Paxton (’17: 140 ERA+), Duffy (’14: 156 ERA+), Kluber (’17: 202 ERA+) ~ all had at least one high-end career year that teams are hoping to re-capture.

    Matz’s best year was a 118 ERA+. MLBTR has it broken down best:

    TOR guys: Scherzer, Stroman, Gausman, Ray, Rodon ~ First 4 all got $100M+

    Former TOR guys: Greinke, Verlander, Kershaw, Syndergaard

    Mid-rotation arms: Desclafani, Gray, Matz, Rodriguez, Wood, Cobb

    Old vets: Anderson, Lester, Happ, Kim, Wacha

    Rebound hopefuls: Duffy, Bundy, Davies, Foltynewicz, Paxton, Kluber, Martinez, Archer

    Matz compares well with his group of 6, albeit with the worst career ERA+:

    Rodriguez, 29 (110 career ERA+) 5yr/$77M
    Gray, 30 (107 career ERA+) 4yr/$56M
    Matz, 31 (96 career ERA+) 4yr/$44M
    Wood, 31 (112 career ERA+) unsigned
    Desclafani, 32 (104 career ERA+) 3yr/$36M
    Cobb, 34 (105 career ERA+) 2yr/$20M

    #177697
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    TOR guys: Scherzer, Stroman, Gausman, Ray, Rodon ~ First 4 all got $100M+

    Has Stroman signed?

    #177702
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    Ah my bad.

    #177729
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    Wood, 31 (112 career ERA+) unsigned

    Wood signed today for 2yr/$25M

    #195598
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    Matz gave us nine GS in season one of his contract. Not the IP / GS we hoped the Cardinals had signed.

    In an effort to get the SFG start of 2 IP and 8 ER allowed from dominating my memory of his season, I reviewed his entire season. There were some pluses to point at.

    Steven made six starts with a GmSc of 50 or above (69, 53, 68, 55, 60, 60). Two- thirds of the time he put his team in a position to win, a good ratio. He averaged 5.2 IP per start, with a ERA of 2.14, a 3/37 BB/K and .589 ops allowed.

    Our Cardinals did win all of these Matz starts and had a 6-3 W/L this season when he took the mound.

    The other three starts were GmSc’s of 17, 38 and 14; absolute clunkers. He totaled 9 IP with a 19.00 ERA, a 6/14 BB/K and a 1.211 ops allowed. STL lost all 3 of these games.

    I considered it was the level of competition faced, but that didn’t fly. The best lineup was the NYM, where he had a win and a loss and game scores of 38 and 60.

    Here comes the unpopular part. What I did find was that in every one of the 6 very good starts, Knizner caught him. All 3 clunkers were with Yadi catching. Make of it what you want.

    #195611
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    JJ, I almost always give you the benefit of the doubt because you are one of our most thoughtful posters and always back your opinions up with numbers.

    In this case I am going to remain highly skeptical. As your numbers point out Matz has the capability of being effective on occasion but you just can’t count on him to remain healthy. And that should not be a surprise. He has had health problems a majority of his career. This is not a one off. That is why I was shocked the day I heard we gave him a four year deal.

    To me this deal has Fowler, Leake, Cecil, and Carp written all over it but I really really hope you are right and I am wrong.

    #195612
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    I really didn’t voice an opinion on Matz. The numbers above belong to Matz, I am just the messanger 😀

    What I did like about his season was the BB/K ratio, he does have swing and miss stuff and competes in the zone.

    Before I looked at his season I would never have guessed the 6-3 W/L team record in his starts.

    #195613
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    Health and reliability are always key factors for me. A player’s talent level can almost become irrelevant if they can’t stay on the field.

    #195615
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    Yep health is as equally important as talent. It’s one thing for a player to be relatively injury free and have lots of good to great years then as they get older start having injuries, kind of expected. But to pretty much have health concerns about every year pretty much from get go is another. Now guys like waino are the exception. He got some injuries as he got older and most times they continue to have those nagging injuries but he seemed to have gotten stronger. In reality I really see no reason waino can’t pitch another year. Now I would probably rather go out with something still left in the tank rather than play another year and something happen and bang you don’t even get to finish your last season. Kind of feel the same about pujols. So hopefully matz stays healthy after this but I won’t bet on it

    #195618
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    It’s too bad what happened to Matz. Pitchers seem to always be one delivery away from arm trouble, but to injure a knee in the manner that he did on an easy out ground ball on his first turn back makes me think the poor guy is snakebit. To add insult to injury, if you watched the play sequence, it was reasonably obvious that he had no business attempting to field the baseball. An incredibly bad break not only for the LHP, but also for Cardinals. At any rate, I’m not at all sure I’ve been given a chance to make an informed decision as to the type of talent he may or may not be. I can only look at his past performance and that’s not always a foolproof method for an evaluation as can be proved by guys like Chris Carpenter prior to him becoming a Redbird. I’m pretty sure I won’t be able to get a reasonable read on Matz until the first couple of months of the ’23 season.

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