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25, I wouldn’t look back more than one season on these two ol’ farts, but you’re entirely welcome to.
Why would you take the extremely short 2020 season as the be all of these two? At worst you have to include 2019, where they were very similar pitchers.
Either way, I’d take Waino between the two but not at double the price. I’ll be interested to see what Waino does if he only gets $3-5M offers.
The sad thing is while we watch the Cubs tear it down they could still win the division this year since all of the other NLC teams are doing their Scrooge McDuck impersonations.
25, The primary reason I’d only look back one season is because they are expected to only sign for one season going forward. Most recent weighs most heavily, as it should, especially with aging vets.
Adam allowed 4 ER once, Lester had an 8, three 5’s, and a 7 ER. He got blew up a lot, and I though he faced a lower quality of opponents. Half his starts were vs PIT (3), CLE (2) and DET (1).
When Lester faced us he threw batting practice, and I had hoped he would return to the Cubs next season because I don’t expect the 2018 Lester to return.
25, The primary reason I’d only look back one season is because they are expected to only sign for one season going forward. Most recent weighs most heavily, as it should, especially with aging vets.
So Joc Pederson…1 year/$5M based on his bad 2020? 😉
Most recent does weight most heavily, but I don’t think you can take a 1/3 season as the only weight for a full (or close to it) 2021. I don’t think Waino is really a 3+ WAR pitcher over a 162 game schedule, nor is Lester <1. I’d project both for 1-1.5, realistically. Waino gets a bump for his better 2020 and hits for his increased age, injury history and right handedness. Lester bumps for being younger and lefty.
I really could see Waino getting a $5-6M deal.
+1 on the Joc joke!
Ok, I’ll look back farther for discussions sake. Look at their ops+ (edit-ERA+) trends the last 3 seasons.
125, 98, 86
88, 101, 137To save myself a bunch of typing I’ll ask that you also review baseballsavants run value by pitch type, on both pitchers player page. Adam still has a dominant pitch, Lester hasn’t since 2018. But look how their complete arsenal has changed over the last 3 yrs.
I think Lesters about done, and that a shortened 2020 worked in his favor. A larger sample size may have been uglier.
The part of the Jared Porter story not well reported is that the behavior that led to his firing as Mets GM occurred when he worked for Theo and the Cubs.
The Jared Porter situation is equally a Cubs and a Mets problem. The Mets need a new GM. The Cubs need to reevaluate themselves as an organization.@jon_greenberg’s column: https://t.co/qpcX7IHjhH
— The Athletic Chicago (@TheAthleticCHI) January 19, 2021
The Cubs are making a lot of changes this offseason 👀 pic.twitter.com/FbjCbfRAZF
— FOX Sports: MLB (@MLBONFOX) January 20, 2021
Another story about St. Louis being boring? 😉
Cubs' Bryant not having as much fun as before https://t.co/pe86XJXXsJ
— Jesse Rogers (@JesseRogersESPN) January 21, 2021
Probably to get the fans talking about or getting angry at the Cards rather than the Cubs front office, or at least an attempt to…
I believe last night on the MLB Network they said Happ might end up with Minnesota. Was that Ian Happ or the pitcher, whatshisname, A.J. Happ?
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I believe last night on the MLB Network they said Happ might end up with Minnesota. Was that Ian Happ or the pitcher, whatshisname, A.J. Happ?
Twins To Sign J.A. Happ https://t.co/6wWXTRjYCi pic.twitter.com/caI3J4edPE
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 20, 2021
Now they are piling on…
Jon Lester, one of the greatest free-agent signings in Cubs history, was supposed to leave Chicago on his terms. But the team turned its back on him, writes @BNightengale. https://t.co/svmo10k1Pg
— USA TODAY MLB (@usatodaymlb) January 22, 2021
Bob brought up Waino and Yadi. No doubt there will be national writers writing very similar things about St Louis should they end up elsewhere.
But I’m ok with them bashing the Cubs for now. Lol
Well that is a garbage article and so would the one be for criticizing the Cardinals on Waino and Yadi. As I have stated before, I am not big on legacy deals. I understand that legacy players may sell some tickets but so does winning.
Cubs To Sign Austin Romine https://t.co/sj0uaLiSds pic.twitter.com/dXxwzPR4Ch
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) January 22, 2021
Any doubt they’d do it?
Cubs Have Reportedly Discussed Blockbuster Kris Bryant, Kyle Hendricks Deal with Blue Jays – Cubs Insider https://t.co/gyhQAgtW1B
— Cubs Insider (@realcubsinsider) January 24, 2021
Brian, this is the kind of article that you would normally be critical of because the source basically admits he has no idea if this is serious or not.
Well, an analyst from the Jays version of FOX Sports Midwest (with a blue check mark) says the two sides discussed a deal. That is what the Cubs article shared.
However, when I went to his feed, he clarified that he does not know if it is serious or how recent the talks were. IMO, his initial tweet was intentionally misleading by being so vague. Then when it got hot, he backed away.
People, people, people… Never said this.
Question posed to me was any truth to the rumour they’ve discussed deal. “Yes.”
Not saying it’s ongoing or even realistic. https://t.co/f3fzWJsbhc— Scott Mitchell (@ScottyMitchTSN) January 24, 2021
I’d be in favor of any deal that gets us away from Cy Hendricks. Probably wishful thinking though. Of course, if the Cubs totally tanked it would probably put them in the market for some of the free agents we are hoping to snag after next year. I would prefer that more of the big market teams remain cash strapped.
Because their 2020 losses were “biblical”… You can’t stay a billionaire long without good accountants… 😉
Well the biggest indictment against the Theo era is that he completely gutted the farm system therefore Hoyer is now having to rebuild it. We knew those chickens would come home to roost eventually.
But the Cubs being cash strapped? That is a joke. The Yankees, Dodgers and maybe the Red Sox and Mets are the only teams who could best the Cubs when it comes to money.
Nice addition for Chicago.
Free-agent outfielder Joc Pederson in agreement with Cubs, pending physical, sources tell @TheAthletic.
— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) January 29, 2021
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