August 6, 2020 at 10:22 am #134556
The true causes of the Cardinal outbreak may never be known and the reporting may have been in error, however, MLB felt there was reason to issue new covid protocols with the threat of player and staff suspensions if violations occur. These new protocols weren’t directed specifically at the Cardinals but I doubt these new protocols would have been issued if they thought the positive infections were just random.
— MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) August 6, 2020August 6, 2020 at 7:55 pm #134572
gscottar, FWIW, I disagree with you about this assertion.
I doubt these new protocols would have been issued if they thought the positive infections were just random.
MLB now had two data points, which is likely what drove this. But the situations were different, however. Jeter publicly admonished his players for “letting their guard down”. That way, other teams could write it off because the Marlins did not take the protocols seriously.
On the other hand, the situation with St. Louis was different. Mo said he had no concerns about the Cardinals’ behavior. The casino rumor was totally debunked. Other than lax stuff in the dugout that every team did, the Cards were no different from any other team. That is what was so scary to everyone.
There was no off-field blame in the Cardinals case other than a carrier coming into normal contact with a Cardinal. In fact, it WAS quite random. Despite being diligent, the Cards were ravaged. That was a wake up call to all of MLB.August 6, 2020 at 9:21 pm #134576bccranParticipantPaid - Annual
Where did the carrier come from?August 6, 2020 at 11:27 pm #134580PugsleyAddamsParticipantPaid - Annual
Carrier pigeon?August 7, 2020 at 8:47 am #134589
Traveling during a pandemic requires convincing ballplayers not to stray from the hotel. Some teams have relied on warnings. Others like the Yankees and Cubs have taken a more lavish approach: free food, game rooms, outdoor patio spaces.
— Marc Carig (@MarcCarig) August 7, 2020August 7, 2020 at 9:07 am #134592
Fair enough but I am not a big believer in coincidences. MLB issued the stricter protocols right after the Cardinal issues. Maybe it was just because of the fear of random infection due to dugout interactions, I don’t know.
I am really not trying to dig too deep into the blame game. This virus is a mean, vicious thing that can strike anyone, however, I do feel it would be relevant information for the public if it were ever validated that a particular team had an outbreak due to reckless personal behavior because that would be a reflection on the team’s leadership.
No doubt that some in the media are too quick to try to find a scandal but it also true that others in the media seem to go out of their way to defend the organization and attempt to shame fans for thinking otherwise. Sometimes it is difficult for fans to know who to believe.
August 7, 2020 at 10:02 am #134597bicyclemikeModeratorPaid - Annual
- This reply was modified 2 months, 2 weeks ago by gscottar.
Welcome to our world, Tinky! Glad to have you contribute and hope to see more of your comments and banter.
Check out the game threads when you can. Sometimes we get into some lively discussions on those about what Shildt should or should not have done, and the joys of success or sorrow of futility by our Redbirds.
Glad to have you here!August 7, 2020 at 11:23 am #134610thejagerParticipantPaid - Annual
The Marlins issue could have been written off as a fluke…but when the Cardinals (or any other org.) showed a similar outbreak they had to act knowing it was no one time thing.
Whether it was the Cardinals or the Rangers i think MLB would have jumped to act and make changesAugust 7, 2020 at 11:31 am #134611
gscottar, if you did not read Goold’s article about the casino rumors, I suggest you do. He actually did the legwork to find out if players were there. I have to ask this. Why did the accusers not provide details? Keith Olbermann of all people called out Jerry Hairston Jr. based on Goold’s article. Hairston backed off by saying that he never said who was in a casino and when. He then deferred to Heyman who had said he “validated” the rumor and specifically wrote that the Cardinals should stay in their rooms on the road. To the best of my knowledge, Heyman did not provide any details, either.
I get your point about credibility 100%. Many of my posts here are about detecting BS out there and applying logic and common sense. So, who seems more credible to you in this case? Sure, the Cardinals could be out and out lying, but why did they when the Marlins came clean? To me, it comes down to evidence or lack thereof. If there is something of substance, someone would dig it up.
Yes, welcome Tinky! Good timing in your arrival.August 7, 2020 at 11:38 am #134612
Where did the carrier come from?
The team did not share its contact tracing details. It was someone evidently in St. Louis who came into contact with a member of the organization prior to the road trip. Mo said it was lucky the outbreak came to light on the road as they were not all together that first day the positive tests came in. Or it could have spread more quickly in his estimation. Hard to think it could have been worse, but it could have.August 7, 2020 at 11:48 am #134616
I did read Goold’s article and it did seem to me that he put in a lot of time and effort to dig up the details. I have no qualms with that. It very well could be that the Cardinals were inflicted in a way that was unavoidable.
Goold did acknowledge that some of the players had attended certain events in the last 30 days that some people could deem questionable, although it doesn’t appear at this time that those events led directly to the outbreak. Shildt also acknowledged that the team hadn’t been perfect with adherence to protocols but would be tightening things up going forward.
After reading everything my conclusion is that the source of the outbreak may have been fluky but the Cardinals were also probably a little sloppy, therefore tightening up the procedures is a good thing.August 7, 2020 at 12:32 pm #134636
Agreed, gscottar.August 7, 2020 at 12:32 pm #134637August 7, 2020 at 1:06 pm #134644August 7, 2020 at 1:13 pm #134645
According to Mark Saxon, it is a player who has been with the team all season (as opposed to one of the new additions from Springfield).August 7, 2020 at 3:56 pm #134653lrcardinalParticipantPaid - Three Months
Can you only have 2 guys on the 60-day DL? Just wondering why Mikolas had not been moved there since his season is over?August 7, 2020 at 4:08 pm #134655Minuteman3ParticipantFree
It is now a 45Day DL and I am sure he will be moved off the 40 man when they decide who they need to put on.August 7, 2020 at 5:29 pm #134658David MartinParticipantPaid - Annual
Cardinals-Cubs Series Postponed Due To Additional Covid-19 Positive(s)
By Steve Adams | August 7, 2020 at 5:04pm CDT
5:04pm: MLB will postpone this weekend’s Cards-Cubs series, Joel Sherman of the New York Post reports.August 7, 2020 at 6:08 pm #134660
Players cannot be put on the 60day IL (or 45) until the 40man is full. As of yesterday it is. So when the next player is added to the roster, Mikolas will likely be the corresponding move.August 7, 2020 at 6:17 pm #134661CariocaCardinalParticipantPaid - Monthly
Probably a minority opinion but I think people need to learn to live with this virus. Play sports, go to school,etc. It is possible we dont get a vaccine for several years or possibly ever. If you are not high risk live your life!August 7, 2020 at 7:36 pm #134667858booyahParticipantFree
Rumor is Helsley and Dean and another staffer.August 7, 2020 at 8:14 pm #134671blingboyParticipantPaid - Annual
Other teams are travelling and practicing and playing. We have to have gone wrong somehow. Hopefully nobody ends up in the hospital or infecting family.August 7, 2020 at 8:26 pm #134672858booyahParticipantFree
So when is Mozeliak coming with his statement?August 7, 2020 at 8:44 pm #134673thejagerParticipantPaid - Annual
It isn’t about the risk you as an individual take.
The problem isn’t whether you are healthy or low risk or whatever.
The problem is that if you “live with it” and do t get sick you can still be an active or unwitting agent to pass it to someone else who will get sick or pass it to another and get them sick or die.
All for what? If living my life comes at the risk of ending yours I am more than willing to inconvenience myself to whatever extreme.
I don’t want to get sick and I don’t want to get anyone else sick either.
My susceptibility to the worst outcome has no relevance on the moral responsibility of my actions.August 7, 2020 at 9:33 pm #134682bicyclemikeModeratorPaid - Annual
Right now on the COVID vs baseball scoreboard, it seems to be:
All other teams-3.
Everyone has beaten the COVID team except us and Miami.
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